so pretty much fiora is a bad champion?

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BattleBootyRiven

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08-09-2012

I like fiora so much easier to wreck kids than riven but people say shes bad, why?


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Jamaree

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08-09-2012

Because that is all she is good at...wrecking kids. Her kit as a whole is just sub par. Her DPS is pretty good, especially early, but early game means nothing at all. Her Q does little to no damage, her W shield doesn't last long enough, and the steroids upon it is weak, her E is subpar as well because it only last for 3 seconds, and her R is her only real redeeming quality, but even that has it problems because it can be dodged, knocked out of, blinded, exhausted, you can still take AoE damage, and any DoTs on you while doing it will still be placed on you. All and all, she is a subpar early game Master Yi. No CC, subpar steroids in ALL caterogies, no escapes, worst passive sustain in the game. You might as well play Master Yi who can do everything she can while being tankier and having better...well...everything, hell, even most his base stats are better then hers.


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The Starflyer

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08-09-2012

Because she is a melee carry. Melee carries absolutely suck now, and Riot knows it. Most of this has to do with their itemization, or lack thereof. The only item that's really designed for melee carries is Yomouu's Ghostblade, and it kinda sucks. The movespeed active is neat, but flat armor pen is a useless stat late game because Last Whisper is so much better, and CDR isn't a very important stat for carries.


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Yvo

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08-09-2012

Pretty much, if your team knows how to play, Fiora will never be an actual threat.


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Vikaryous

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08-09-2012

Melee carries are bad champions, pretty much. It's sad, really. Mostly because there isn't itemization geared towards them


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Orleos

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08-09-2012

Well, this and you know, the fact that either a melee carry is nothing more than a pubstomper on release and/or gets nerfed into the ground because the public they are meant to stomp, does not wish to learn or work together to dismantle said champion in game.

Case in point, Tryndamere. Mind you, he wasn't viable in the higher elo, but I would assume he could have been at one point or was, don't know, and not bothering to look back that far.


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Bigpuddintatters

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08-09-2012

There are a lot of problems facing Fiora right now, not just the melee carry aspect:

1.long ass CD: for melee carries its more important then ranged counterparts as they need gap closers, on top of escapes and something to keep them in there closer attack range for full dmg; to that end fiora's "escape" is her 3sec E AFTER she hits an enemy 3 times...which eats up that time and is pointless, so she really has no escapes. Her gap closer can be used twice, which sound more than ideal when compared to other melee carries on paper, but the cd for it doesn't start until the second cast adding 4 extra seconds to it as well as being really short ranged (flashing out of her range at max distance usually gets u out of her Q range, but normally has the speed steroid from E to get u back in, still...) not to mention stopping u with hard cc usually prevents you from being able to use the second cast getting the full cd+4sec. no escapes + gap closer that can be abused + no way to stick to enemys = T.T

2. Her steriod E is way to short: they just buffed yi's similar steriod to some 5 seconds, trynd can be unstobable for that time too. Fiora has to get something on the enemy team dead in 3sec's or it goes on a horribly long CD and killing someone after doesn't refresh it

2.repost is way too selective: in almost all but 2~3 macthups her repost won't be usefull at all, and even on the matchups in her favor, it does not block on hits (teemo's poison, wu's armor shred, gp slow, etc) this is the ability people spec into pretty much for the passive: active is just blargh

3.her passive has the same probs as tryn, but worse: health regen as is, is only useful for drawn out fights to shed off the damage done by enemy players over time, not in heated fights which a "duelist" would want. So her passive is only useful early game. And it barely shines there, having a champ that has strong harass can stop you from even hitting enemies, thus stopping you from using your passive to shed it off (this being tryn's problem too) Late game it isn't even noticeable in heated battles, early game it's easy to stop.

4. her ult prevents her from being "untargetable" but not invincible that people belive. DoT's and AoE still affect her during it. So if you were saving to use it until your low on health hoping to pop it with lifesteal your hp to full again; being ignited SUCKS, karthus AoE pretty much can undo it. Further more it's still a targeted chanalled spell. so if your using it on a target and they jump into brush (losing line of sight) then it cancels. (probably just an intentional effect, but seeing how she's so subpar in everything BUT her ult, having a prob on her ult rubs salt in the wound)

Yes she is a melee carry who should use AA to deal damage instead of abilities, her abilities infact support her auto attack nature; but when your auto attacking at melee range and have a stronger odd's of being cc'd, melee carries need something; wither it's gap closers, escapes, or some insurance policy, Fiora's are more unreliable than Yi's , or Tryn's


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kavinh the third

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08-09-2012

it's cause her kit makes her either an amazing carry and she can more or less take on 1v3 of the enemy team or she can just fall off and become completely useless since she can't even escape


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08-09-2012

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Originally Posted by Bluewhitelights View Post
I like fiora so much easier to wreck kids than riven but people say shes bad, why?
W/e you're killing with fiora are noobs.

Her kit is weak all around, no escape, no CC, no debuff. The enemy has to be retarded for her to get a kill.

Can't be built bruiser, not as good as almost all the other glass canons, so yeah.

She's weak and not worth the IP.


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DreamsOfGrandeur

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08-09-2012

She's not a bad champion.
Just, in terms of "wanting to compete in the tournaments", melee-carry is a bad archetype. Fiora is a melee-carry.

Melee-carries aren't really made for tournaments or being viable (but Riot still tries, which is nice).

They exist because building glass-cannon is fun. Having a champion made for glass-cannon builds is even more fun.

When you succeed in farm and kills and become this unstoppable destruction lawn mower of doom that melts people's health the moment you touch them, that's the player-gasm moment that motivates Riot to make melee-carries.
But as a trade-off, you're typically really fragile and if you're denied farm, you become pretty useless and must farm and hide until you catch up. So, competitive teams never pick them (unless they're OP during that patch)


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