Kat's New Lore seems against the goal of rewrites.

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08-10-2012

Kat's Old Lore:

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As a militaristic state, it would perhaps come as no surprise that the primary responsibilities of Noxian women are raising strong children and providing succor for husbands who walk the path of soldiery. There are some, however, for whom nurture is not nature, and Katarina is just such a creature. Born the daughter of the feared Noxian General Du Couteau, the girl was always more interested in her father's knives than in the dresses, jewelry, and other trifles that her sisters spent so much time fussing over. A childhood dispute soon unveiled her uncanny knack for bloodshed, and her father, ever the opportunist, happily fostered her killer instincts. After training under the tutelage of the finest assassins the mighty city-state had to offer, Katarina first cut her teeth performing assassinations in the Ionian War. There, her ruthless mastery of the knife and dagger combined with her sadistic temperament to earn her the title Sinister Blade, a moniker that would follow her for the remainder of her career. She is most famous, however, for her exploits in the campaigns against Demacia, especially those surrounding her engagements with the nation's champion, Garen; a rivalry which began when she recovered the remains of Sion from a vanguard under his protection.

With the demand for warfare somewhat arrested by the tenuous peace settling over Valoran, Katarina sought the allure of violence in its last remaining haven: The League of Legends. Some might say it was an inevitability that Katarina's chosen path would draw her to become a champion of the League, continuing to enforce the will of Noxus and bring prestige of war to her noble family. There, she continues to perform her bloody work - esteemed and reviled, feared and adored.

"The Sinister Blade of Noxus is like a black widow - beautiful, but deadly."
― Garen, the Might of Demacia, following a skirmish in the field
Kat's new lore:

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"Never Question My Loyalty. You will never know what I endure for it" - Katarina

Born to Noxian Privledge, Katarina trained in the ways of the knife from the time she was a child. Now that fiery, willful child has grown into beautiful and deadly woman. Katarina's intense passion for life is tempered by a sense of duty and loyalty to her family. The same passion proves a double-edge sword when her heart and responsibilities are at odds.

As the free-spirited daughter of a prominent Noxian General, the young Katarina was given the best of everything. Naturally gifted in combat, she found herself drawn to blades. Much to her family's pride she was trained under the deadliest assassins in the Noxian military. It wasn't long before Katarina's instrectors deemed her worthy of trail by fire - to kill a proiment Demacian soldier. Creeping through the darkened military camp, Katarina was overwhelmed by her passion to prove herself. When the army's General strayed across her path, unguarded, she quietly slit his throat. Katarina quietly disapeared into the night, pleased with her impressive kill. Her elation was soon crushed, as the next day her original target - the prominent soldier who was the true military genius - led his forces to ambush unprepared Noxian soldiers. Katarina flung herself into the frey, earning her scar over her left eye as a permanent reminder. Even though she finally completed her task, her families reputation was damaged. Since that day, Katarina vowed never to let passion prevent her from bringing glory to both Noxus and her family. Reconciling her desires with her duties proves to be a constant challenge. To the world, Katarina is a symbol of Noxian patriotism, though there is more to the red-haired assassin than meets the eye.
The new lore is RIDDLED with typos, and removes almost all mention of her old lore entirely. Why, Riot?

Doesn't this sort of go against the concept of the rewrites?

Here are the goals from Kitae's post:

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More focus on personality and motivation. We want you to understand who our champions are, and what they want.
Katarina's motivations have been totally rewritten. What about her missing father? Her desire to bring more prestige to her powerful family in Noxus? She was characterized as a tomboyish girl with a knack and love for bloodshed. Instead now we've turned her into another "disgraced" noble, who has no actual mention of her personal talent or exploits. All that's mentioned is that she failed and got hotheaded. What about her exploits in Ionia? Garen and Sion?

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A better sense of where champions come from. Every champion has an origin that helps you better understand who they are.
Katarina's original lore had a clear origin story. She was trained both by experts and her father after she expressed a strong interest and great talent in knifeplay and murder. She eschewed "womanly" roles in Noxian Society instead to pursue power in the military.

Her new lore waters this down significantly. We're not served up a great triumph on her part anymore by way of stealing Sion's corpse from Garen's vanguard. We're not treated to her exploits in present lore either! Why not a story of her first Ionian assassination? Why not elaborate on the interesting relationships she has in lore?

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More relationships. Whether its friendship, love, or hate, relationships provide a jumping off point for additional stories involving our champions.
All mentions of General DuCouteau, Sion's corpse, Garen, the Ionian War have all been stripped out of her lore. How is this fostering more relationships between heroes? Why not mention Talon at all, since he is now a new addition to the "family" of DuCouteau?

Instead we have Katarina failing to murder a nameless Demacian general, and cutting her eye because of it. SNORE.

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Closer ties in the world. Many champions come off as totally focused on the League. We want you to have a good sense of what champions do when they are not fighting in the League.
The new lore doesn't do this any better. If anything it breaks what grounding Katarina had in the setting and makes her more removed from the non-League lore. How is removing Katarina's old exploits a good way to make her less focused on the League???


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Duck King

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08-10-2012

You just don't understand. Her eye got cut. That's deep, meaningful character development right there.


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belthazor3457

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08-10-2012

Oi...

New lore does not explain why Kat is named the sinister blade. Add that to the list!

May edit this post later when I have more time.

+1 btw


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Dave of Canada

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08-10-2012

When I saw kitae's post, I expected reworks of the current lore and not the rewriting of everything to make it "edgy" or whatever they're trying to accomplish with it. Even Fiora's lore rework removed most of what made her interesting, haven't bothered to read Shyvanna.

What will they change with Soraka? Will they not mention Warwick and change her loss of divinity to something else? "She failed to heal orphans, thus removing her divinity and forcing her to support bot lane."


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ThorRush

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08-10-2012

I hope that doesn't go live

I hope there's someone left at Riot who understands


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TheUltimate3

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08-10-2012

To play devils advocate here, they mentioned before that they would be removing mention of some people from their lore. For example, it was mentioned that in the revised Talon lore, the General wouldn't be named but mentioned in passing.

Wasn't the goal for that is to make it more about them and less so about how they interacted with X?


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Crisvector

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08-10-2012

I agree in some way with you... but in other... ahmmm... well TheUltimate3 explained it well

Where did you find the new lore???


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Yousonerfed

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08-10-2012

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I agree in some way with you... but in other... ahmmm... well TheUltimate3 explained it well

Where did you find the new lore???
Probably in PBE.


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ThorRush

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08-10-2012

TheUltimate3, it is important that bios are about the champion. They explain where they come from and what they are like as characters.

That said, is it important that bios focus on the champion to the exclusion of everything else? That leaves the champion in a vaccuum. Kat's old lore highlighted the uniqueness of a female fighter in Noxus and explained something of her life and place in the world. It has its strong points, but I think it can be seen as somewhat limited - Kat's only motivation is violence for her state and family (which matches her ingame personality).

This new lore, apparently from the PBE, shows that she was headstrong in the past and wants to move on from that. She has a motivation now, but this lore doesn't look final. Isn't there a saying, "don't tell, show"? It feels like this bio tells. Where does Kat's "passion" come from in the first place? Why did she feel the need to prove herself so strongly she ignored orders? Kat has an inner conflict now, but it comes out of nowhere.

I like that Garen is still there though. Not the first thing to jump out. I'm curious to see how new players will still be able to deduce that soldier's identity. (edit nvm, looks like she actually did complete her mission and that soldier isn't Garen. Darn)


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Melancholy Exile

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08-10-2012

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Originally Posted by TheUltimate3 View Post
To play devils advocate here, they mentioned before that they would be removing mention of some people from their lore. For example, it was mentioned that in the revised Talon lore, the General wouldn't be named but mentioned in passing.

Wasn't the goal for that is to make it more about them and less so about how they interacted with X?
And how someone interacts with other people tells us a great deal about their character. We know less about her relationship with her father, less about her family and less about her place in Noxus on the whole. This lore feels like it has been 'dumbed down' to such a degree that someone reading it, who already knows the setting, will take nothing meaningful away from it at all. Until Riot get around to actually releasing their new material to aid with world-building, it's hard to see releases like this as anything but huge chunks being cut out of what we thought we knew.

We know more about Katarina's first mission but we less about her achievements and what actually defines her as a person. She just ... exists, without actually being part of the world.


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