Champion Bio Updates

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Desastrado

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08-11-2012

Was going to create a new thread but now I'll post here.

The old lore was good because it was made by a team dedicated to not only creating a lore for the champions but to also expand the lore and tell us what is going on in Runeterra.

I really miss the journals of justice.
Remember the Ionia vs Noxus fight? We will probably never have something like that never again.
I miss the champion judgments.

The moment they closed the lore team it started to lose quality and it seems that is going to get worse.
Remember the recent Jayce lore incident and now the Kat passion lore change. Even with the smaller things like Lux ult name.

If the reason for changing the lore is to be able to make better stories then bring back the stories first, because at the moment there is no story being told, only some "new" champions that participated on old events that don't add to the present story.
The Demacia vs Noxus fight appears to be stagnant. I didn't see Ionia in quite some time. Not to mention all the other places that aren't even mentioned anymore like Kumungu.

Rengar's lore is just bad, it doesn't mention where he came from neither why he joined the league. If he have such a big area under control how come no one knows about him? I really hope it changes before the release.
If you made him come from Kumungu and have a relation to Nidalee it would be much better. Like in "He hunted everything from kumungu, then discovered that Nidalee went away from the jungle, decides that if she was able he could also, then departed to fight on the league to prove he is the best hunter".
He can still be a reference to predator (trying to be the ultimate hunter) while being consistent with the lore we have, because the way it is now is just stupid imo. If a new alien champion is released to fill the hole in his lore I'll change this opinion.

The game is going in a good direction gameplay wise, but lore wise, we can only hope that riot start to make some right decisions.

Also Ashe became queen and married Tryn, so they both need a new bio that reflects that. Some other champions also have some more going for them, but that is just wrong not mentioning that in their bios.


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Drknzz

Junior Member

08-11-2012

The Void needs a lot of love in terms of lore! >.<


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CabecoteNA

Senior Member

08-11-2012

It would be so cool if kitae could keep posting in this tread with updates of whom the lore department plans to update next... but they are so busy :'(

Anyway keep the good work and stay strong

PS: kitae if you see this can you visit page 15 and see my opinion on lulu's bio pws. Ty


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TheLastBaron88

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08-12-2012

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Originally Posted by Muranodo View Post
The detail omission leaves me with mixed feelings; I understand the purpose for it as bios are now being used to give a quick taste of a champion's personality rather than tell a full story.

Without the JoJ, it doesn't work well. Not really ideal for your older player base and lore fans as much by the sound of it. But the later storytelling may change that.

Guess I'll take a look at the new bios before being too pessimistic.
This. Currently, the community has no way of learning the Extended Lore behind a character, and omitting General Du Coteau from Talon and Katarina's lore on account that some might not know who he is, thats just idiocy. I believe Katarina's lore alone explained his identity well enough. And besides, wondering about a character's identity and role in the overarching story is what generates interest in the lore in the first place. It's a big part of why I ever bothered to read it myself. Now that current canon lore is seemingly being scrapped, it seems like such a waste...


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Eletale

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08-12-2012

Now that you manifested you want to make the story go towards "Viktor will mechanize the **** out of everyone so there's a futuristic war ahead of us"...
What happened to the Void? Is it still a menace or can we just laugh at that idea now and brand Malzahar as one of those manipulative cult leaders?
Are the City States in some kind of deadlock, considering Viktor and Jayce can invade each other's labs without their governments even caring? Is Freljord finally free of the Noxian menace?

Are Rune Wars no longer a thread to Valoran's very existence, questioning the very existence of the League's continuity?


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Urbaknight

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08-12-2012

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Overall you guys are going to get more information!
Where? How?


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Eletale

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08-12-2012

How about giving a bit more insight about an orphan who has an apparently living musical instrument which doesn't want to be separated from her?

She almost randomly developed a skill to cut with air vibration and decided to join the Leauge, just like that. And her league's judgement trows a lot of stuff at the reader without actually explaining anything, making you even doubt even if she is a human being.


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Exacerberus

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08-13-2012

Awesome stuff, thanks for the updates Kitae.

Since you mentioned an update of LeBlanc's story, being the matron involved in pretty much all the major conspiracies of the old JoJ, please when updating just try to keep the sense of mystery her original bio already conveys. Ty


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MiaoLong

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08-13-2012

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Great question.

With our champion bio updates we are looking to tell different stories about our champions. That does not mean previous stories told in the JOJ or earlier versions of bios are now invalid.

Think of updated bios as "new stories", the old stories still exist and are valid unless the updated story clearly changes a detail. If that happens, we'll discuss why the detail changed in our AMA thread.
So does this mean that Master Yi is still tens of thousands of years old? Seems like a pretty big detail to leave out-- even if it never is directly conflicting with the new lore. Because in the old lore he seemed like some supernatural kung-fu master who's quasi-immortal, while in the new lore he's some dude who's village got burned down.


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Ask Talon

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08-13-2012

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in the revised version of Talon's bio
Oh god no....

So help you... If butcher me into something else like you did with Katarina, I will shove the writer's hands into a blender.

Talon is the Blade's Shadow.

Du Couteau = The Blade.

Who is his shadow? Talon.

So we have Talon, the Blade's Shadow.

Not Talon, Some Random Person's Shadow.

Honestly, Talon's lore is fine the way it is, especially since he has a JUDGEMENT. You know, that thing you stopped putting out that gave more depth to the characters.

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Talon's earliest memories are the darkness of Noxus' underground passages and the reassuring steel of a blade. He remembers no family, warmth, or kindness. Instead, the clink of stolen gold and the security of a wall at his back are all the kinship he has ever craved. Kept alive only by his quick wits and deft thievery, Talon scraped out a living in the seedy underbelly of Noxus. His mastery of the blade quickly marked him as a threat, and Noxian guilds sent assassins to him with a demand: join their ranks or be killed. He left the bodies of his pursuers dumped in Noxus' moat as his response.
Seems to do the job of explaining where he came from.

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The assassination attempts grew increasingly dangerous until one assailant met Talon blade-for-blade in a match of strength. To his surprise, Talon was disarmed and facing down his executioner's sword when the assassin revealed himself to be General Du Couteau. The General offered Talon the choice between death at his hand, or life as an agent of the Noxian High Command. Talon chose life, on the condition that his service was to Du Couteau alone, for the only type of orders he could respect were from one he could not defeat. Talon remained in the shadows, carrying out secret missions on Du Couteau's orders that took him from the frigid lands of Freljord to the inner sanctums of Bandle City. When the general vanished, Talon considered reclaiming his freedom, but he had gained immense respect from Du Couteau after years in his service. He became obsessed with tracking down the general's whereabouts. Talon's suspicions led him to the doors of the Institute of War, where he joined the League of Legends in order to find those responsible for Du Couteau's disappearance.
Expands upon the first section. Notice how Talon and the General have been intertwined from the beginning. Are you going to erase all of the JoJ involving the two to fit this?

Du Couteau actively searched for Talon because of his skills.

Marcus Du Couteau - Blademaster. And contender for the Grand General of Noxus. I would think that would be a high compliment to some kid off the streets..

After seeing what was done with Kat's lore, you're probably going to take away Talon's purpose for joining the League.

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Candidate: Talon
Date: 23 August, 21 CLE

OBSERVATION

Talon enters the Great Hall with wary anticipation, his gaze forward. The unknowing might consider him careless, but to his perceptive observers it is apparent that Talon is infinitely aware of every detail in his surroundings.

While his focus is sharp, Talon's mind is elsewhere. He hastens towards the massive double doors at the end of the hall and regards them impassively. His purpose lies far beyond the Reflection Chamber. What lies within is a necessary distraction, but hardly an obstacle. Blade in hand, he enters without pause.

REFLECTION

Talon was on the ground, his face pressed to the dirt-ridden cracks between black cobblestones. The world came into focus around him one piece at a time--first the stench of sewage, then the muffled cries of "stop, thief," and finally the walls of the dead-end alleyway, its corners piled high with reeking decay.

He needed nothing else to identify his location. He knew this alleyway-and the slums of Noxus-all too well.

Talon rolled onto his hands and knees. His arms and legs, gangly and darkened with dirt, stung and bled from fresh scrapes. The cries grew closer, coming for him. "Find that boy!"

Talon glanced about, quelling his panic. His eyes fell on what appeared to be a rotten plank of wood, half-covered in garbage and waste, in the shadowed corner of the alley. With what quickness he could muster, Talon scurried towards it, grabbing the rotten plank and tugging it aside. Beneath it, a small opening led under the alley wall and deep into the darkness. In a swift and painful motion, Talon twisted to drop himself down into the opening and slid the plank back into place.

He pressed his back to a muddy dirt wall as the muted sounds of confusion came from outside his hiding place. He remained perfectly still until his pursuers dispersed, their footsteps retreating and grumbled voices fading.

Talon tried to catch his breath. The wet air he gasped into his lungs reeked of rats and sewage. As the rush of adrenaline left him, he found himself stricken instead by the dull pain of hunger and, more pointedly, anger.

"Where was Kavyn," he growled to himself and looked down into the dark.

The plan had been simple. Their target had been a fruit merchant whose cart stood at the edge of the marketplace. Kavyn was to give the signal and, as Talon took what he could, Kavyn would create a distraction so that he could escape. He'd seen the signal, but moments later, as he filled his satchel with Kumungu berries, he caught the attention of half the marketplace. And worse, he'd lost the bag in his frantic escape through the slums.

With nothing gained but a painfully hungry stomach, Talon seethed with bitterness.

Talon turned and began to crawl down the passage. Before long, his fingers and knees squelched as the ground beneath him became wet and cold-he'd reached the old and unused pipe that led into Noxus- underground chambers, most of them connected to the sewer network.

It isn't the first time that Kavyn has failed me like this, Talon thought as the passage sloped downward. With the pain in his stomach and the weakness in his limbs, he couldn't help but recall instead the times he'd succeeded alone, fending for himself without dependence on anyone else.

Finally, the pipe opened over a small chamber, its space filled with makeshift furniture and garbage scraps. Far below the western edge of the chamber, where a sheer drop took the place of a wall, a foul river carried Noxian sewage out of the city. Talon twisted within the pipe's cramped space and dropped down.

"You made it back!"

Talon whirled. Kavyn stood against the wall below the pipe's mouth, lighting a match. The flickering flame revealed a boy hardly older than Talon himself and just as rough and dirty, his brown hair a matted mess on his head.

"Where were you?" Talon snarled.

"Never mind that," Kavyn dropped the lit match onto a small pile of trash beneath him, which instantly caught and cast a wavering light about the chamber. "Did you get anything?"

"A bag of Kumungu berries," Talon's voice was cold. "I dropped it-while running."

He saw a twitch of unease in Kavyn's expression, and his eyes flicked to a small and nearly-empty crate in one corner of the chamber, where they usually kept their stores of stolen food. "Oh."

"Where were you?"

The other boy held up his hands. "Just hold on," he said. "I've got something." Kavyn tugged at his tattered leather belt, revealing two sheaths at his side that Talon had never seen before. From within them, Kavyn withdrew a pair of short daggers. Their blades shone like gold in the firelight, and Talon's eyes widened.

"Listen," said Kavyn, tearing Talon's covetous gaze away. "We can sell them. It doesn't matter that you lost the food."

Talon bristled, but the comment fazed him far less than it should have. He looked back to the daggers, which Kavyn held flat in his palm as though they'd slice him open if he wiggled a finger.

"I stole them from a drunk near the market tavern," Kavyn explained. "That's where I went. I thought--well, we'll make enough to eat for a few days with these, right? And..."

He continued to explain himself, but Talon no longer heard him. He reached a hand forward for one of the blades. As he held it, Talon became immediately aware of its shoddy quality, its weight imbalance, the way the hilt splintered. It was hardly suited for cutting meat, let alone use in combat. The blade had three worn notches and Talon ran his finger gently against them, just enough to feel its sharpness--one, two, three. He was possessed by the feel of it in his hand. The blade empowered him.

Kavyn had stopped talking and turned to pull the remaining potatoes from their crate. I was nearly caught because of this foolish boy, Talon thought, the bitter, hateful fire lit again within him. He knew he'd have inevitably been killed, for such is the Noxian way.

Talon ran his fingers along the blade's notches again. The Noxian way... he'd heard that before, in whispers on the streets. The strongest find their way out of the gutter. Weapons were coveted things, weapons--even a simple pair of daggers--were the key to survival. Another whisper, one he'd heard again and again, echoed in his mind: The strong rely on no one but themselves.

Talon clenched the blade in his fist and dashed forward, reaching to put the dagger to Kavyn's throat...

...but the boy whirled around and caught Talon's wrist, blocking his attack. Talon stood shocked. This is wrong, he thought. He remembered the blood on his hands, he remembered dropping the body into the sewer--the first of many.

Kavyn spoke, but the voice was not his own: "Why do you want to join the League, Talon?"

"For General Du Couteau," Talon said. The sewer chamber began to fade to darkness around them. Talon felt the weight of his bladed cloak returning to his shoulders, the illusion shattered. "My search has led me here."

"You fight for yourself," said the summoner imitating Kavyn's form. "You have no allies. You kill to survive, yet you follow at this vanished General's heels like a dog on a leash. Why?"

Talon tried to wrench his arm away, yet he found himself paralyzed not by the summoner's physical strength but by some magical intervention. "I am in his debt. The General spared my life."

"Is your debt not paid? After you spilled the blood of the boy called Kavyn, you swore allegiance to no one. You killed without remorse, and while you killed for Du Couteau until the day he vanished, you may now have freedom if you wish it. Why do you want to join the League, Talon?"

"You misunderstand," Talon hissed. "In the slums of Noxus I killed to survive. Under Du Couteau I killed in his name, but my life was my own. Now--I am nothing, yet I still have my blades. What other purpose can my blades serve?"

"How does it feel, exposing your mind?"

The summoner released him. Talon grasped his cloak and vanished into the dark, leaving the Reflecting Chamber in utter silence. The summoner glanced back and forth, scowling, and stiffened when Talon's blade appeared at his throat.

"Unpleasant," Talon growled into his ear. "Necessary."
And he was gone.
In case you forgot what one looked like, that's a Judgement. It's been a while since one was seen, I know.