Brand or Zyra

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imgettingcarried

Senior Member

07-27-2012

Hey there GD, i'm a fan of Zyra although i haven't bought her yet, i want someone to tell me why i should buy her! I'm going to give a small / brief example of why i am not drooling over her right now.

Brand: fairly underplayed ATM, *(tell me why, idk)

Health 380 (+76) Attack damage 51.66 (+3)
Health regen. 4.5 (+0.55) Attack speed 0.625 (+1.36%)
Mana 250 (+45) Armor 12 (+3.5)
Mana regen. 7.0 (+0.6) Magic res. 30
Range 550 Mov. speed 315

Now lets compare!

Zyra:

Health 355 (+74) Attack damage 50 (+3.2)
Health regen. 4.85 (+0.5) Attack speed 0.625 (+1.8%)
Mana 250 (+50) Armor 11 (+3)
Mana regen. 7.1 (+0.75) Magic res. 30
Range 575 Mov. speed 310

So lets see the two!

Brand has more hp / per lvl
zyra has more base Hgen, later will get out scaled by Brand
zyra has more Mana per lvl
zyra has more base mana regen / per lvl scaling
zyra outs brands range by 25
brand has more base AD but will get out scaled by zyra later
zyra has more AS per lvl
brand has more armor / per lvl scaling
brand has 5 more base MS


!!!!Okay so far It looks even Steven, zyra will out scale brand later game in most aspects correct? at least base stats wise.


Brand :
(sear)
Cooldown: 8 / 7.5 / 7 / 6.5 / 6 seconds
Magic Damage: 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240 (+0.65 per ability power)

This spell is primarily used for activating brands passive on an enemy target, also to stun his targets.

(pillar of flame)
Cooldown: 10 seconds
Cost: 70 / 80 / 90 / 100 / 110 mana
Magic Damage: 75 / 120 / 165 / 210 / 255 (+0.6 per ability power)

Ablazed Magic Damage: 94 / 150 / 206 / 263 / 319 (+0.75 per ability power)
(Units that are ablaze take an additional 25% damage.)

This is brands primary source of damage when it comes to laning phase.

(Conflagration)
Cost: 60 / 65 / 70 / 75 / 80 mana
Cooldown: 12 / 11 / 10 / 9 / 8 seconds

Magic Damage: 70 / 105 / 140 / 175 / 210 (+0.55 per ability power)
(If the target is ablaze, the conflagration will also spread to nearby enemies.)

This spell is used for farming / setting up stun targets / using it to simply activate your passive in order for your Pillar to do 25% more dmg.

(Pyroclasm)
Cost: 100 / 150 / 200 mana
Cooldown: 105 / 90 / 75 seconds

Magic Damage: 150 / 250 / 350 (+0.5 per ability power)

Max Magic Damage to the Same Target: 450 / 750 / 1050 (+1.5 per ability power)

Max Magic Damage: 750 / 1250 / 1750 (+2.5 per ability power)
If a target is ablaze, Pyroclasm's missile speed increases. It will bounce up to four times for a total of five hits, and can hit the same enemy up to three times.

There's not much to say about this, if done right (lucky) you can get 3 hits on one target.... massive dmg + his passive dmg.


OK you don't have to read through all of that and if you did, gratz you passed kindergarten!


Brand is a complete glass cannon if you ask me! IDK is zyra a glass cannon? depends on how you build either of them!



ZYRA:

(deadly Bloom)
Cost: 75 / 80 / 85 / 90 / 95 mana
Cooldown: 7 / 6.5 / 6 / 5.5 / 5 seconds

Magic Damage: 75 / 115 / 155 / 195 / 235 (+0.6 per ability power)

Primary source of poke in lane, also used to activate seeds.

(grasping roots)
Cost: 70 / 75 / 80 / 85 / 90 mana
Magic Damage: 60 / 105 / 150 / 195 / 240 (+0.5 per ability power)

Root Duration: 0.75 / 1 / 1.25 / 1.5 / 1.75 seconds

primarily used to entangle your targets and activating your seeds.

(stranglethorn)
Cost: 100 / 120 / 140 mana
Cooldown: 130 / 120 / 110 seconds

Magic Damage: 200 / 300 / 400 (+0.7 per ability power)
Rampant Growth: Plants within the thicket are enraged, increasing their attack speed by 50%.

ok so this is a tricky one, because depending on your AP / skill you CAN do massive dmg if you have already activated all of your seeds into thornlings!


Now, i want to compare her Ratios / flat ap dmg!

75 / 115 / 155 / 195 / 235 (+0.6 per ability power) zyras Q
75 / 120 / 165 / 210 / 255 (+0.6 per ability power) Brands W
94 / 150 / 206 / 263 / 319 (+0.75 per ability power) Ablazed (brand)

These are both Zyra and Brands primary source of damage! brand is able to hit for a far superior amount of damage as you can see!

60 / 105 / 150 / 195 / 240 (+0.5 per ability power) Zyras E
80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240 (+0.65 per ability power) Brands Q

This is a hard one to tell who wins overall since zyras E is a aoe / skillshot and brand is able to hit only 1 target. (dueling brand wins / teamfights zyra wins)
brand also can cc longer while dueling...

By now many of you are saying.... WTF NO SEEDS? troll, well yeah b/c the dmg from her activated seeds is outsourced by brands passive + his E.... i dont want to have to sit here and calculate something that is already known... plus you cant kill brands E / passive (unless you die)

200 / 300 / 400 (+0.7 per ability power) zyras Ultimate
150 / 250 / 350 (+0.5 per ability power) Brands Ultimate

Initially zyra wins this! yeah...when it comes to her ult, she can win the 1v1 if they both ult, that being said Brand wins team fights / 1v2 fights b/c his ult dmg will out source zyras if there is more than 1 person, yea yea yea i know. BUT ZYRA CC U! well if u stand still for 2 seconds -___- ok well she can root you! true, but even if i get knocked up Brands ult will still be floating about, only way to get rid of brands ult is by dispersing in a teamfight, which will make brands opponents run about all scattered like.


I dont main brand hell, i only have 1 ranked game as brand...and i lost! but what i am saying here is that brand as weak / underplayed as he is can out dmg / burst / sustain in lane vs zyra.

i will say nothing more other than Congratulations you actually read this! -_- i dont expect many people to be reading this, lul.


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imgettingcarried

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07-27-2012

TL:DR Brand is better than zyra

Edit: fire > grass


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Buk Lau

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07-27-2012

get any, brand still needs a slight buff, but is very strong in the right hands.


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BryAallDay

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07-27-2012

Zyra is infinitely better than Brand. Brand is terrible, even if by the numbers he looks fine.


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Alice Twilight

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07-27-2012

That's not a fair comparison, Brand has a huge type advantage. Fire beats Grass.


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MyUnit

Senior Member

07-27-2012

Zyra's root sets up and escapes ganks better than Brand's
Stun. Zyra wins


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AdmiralNahtanoj

Member

07-27-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by imgettingcarried View Post
TLR Brand is better than zyra

I just F***ed a Zyra as Brand LOL

Pokemon taught me a lot Fire>Grass


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imgettingcarried

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07-27-2012

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Originally Posted by BryAallDay View Post
Zyra is infinitely better than Brand. Brand is terrible, even if by the numbers he looks fine.
why?


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imgettingcarried

Senior Member

07-27-2012

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Originally Posted by Orpha View Post
Zyra's root sets up and escapes ganks better than Brand's
Stun. Zyra wins
no they dont lul, zyra has to max her E in order for them to root long enough for her to get far away enough despite the cast time on it.....


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Blackbird300

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07-27-2012

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Originally Posted by BryAallDay View Post
Zyra is infinitely better than Brand. Brand is terrible, even if by the numbers he looks fine.
Lol, judging on a champion with no evidence whatsoever while praising a champ that has been out for days only. Your logic is unbelievably stupid.


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