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Why Madred Shacos Suck.

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IrTehBoomSwagger

Member

09-05-2010

For quite some time now, people start rolling around with madreds on shaco, and believe that that is successful.

WRONG.

Let's look at some facts,

Shaco is a relatively squishy character relying on pick people off at a moments notice and bloodrazer relies on constantly attacking a target to be worthwhile.

Although some shacos like to start off in the jungle, their intentions are to gank the entire map.

Madreds Bloodrazer is a really expensive item to complete early-mid game, and shaco being most potent and dangerous during lane phase due to his hard time being not focused in team fights because he is so squishy.

Also, two-shiv gets bonus from attack damage, not attack speed, and Madred build usually reallies on AS means you lose efficiency in a skill.

A simple Brutalizer basically = BF sword in damage(along with the added CDR) and Razer + Pickaxe = more expensive.

I'm sure they're more but that's all for now.


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Baronvonbullshit

Junior Member

09-05-2010

Shaco is a character who can dominate dragon and solo baron, however he needs a Bloodrazor to accomplish this. A pure dps shaco usually gets cut down and Madreds as a lone dps item is very effective. Standard Shaco build is Bloodrazor-Guardian Angel-Starks.


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IrTehBoomSwagger

Member

09-05-2010

You can dominate dragon just as well with a normal dps setup,

However with baron, You'd need said items to solo baron, whch will make your overall effectiveness in team fights, that of a baron buff which is attainble around 35+minutes after u get bloodrazer + GA + starks,

First two are really expensive items


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sbudeeG

Senior Member

09-05-2010

why would shaco get starks? do you enjoy telling your enemies that you stealth jumped nearby and that they should huddle up and get ready? stark has a debuff... only noobs dont catch it. also, any dps with a bloodrazor can solo baron.. shaco is actually one of the worst champs to do it with. yay he gets a clone.. boo he still takes forever to do it and you have to build him all funky to do it. let the warwick or the tryn solo baron. you stick to killing players. a good shaco can kill most casters just by coming out of stealth and attacking from behind.


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IrTehBoomSwagger

Member

09-05-2010

Which is why madred shacos are pointless...


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Carados

Senior Member

09-05-2010

Quote:
sbudeeG:
why would shaco get starks?d.

Only noobs don't notice the orange puff when Shaco blinks, and only noobs don't ward. Keep trying?


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sbudeeG

Senior Member

09-05-2010

Quote:
Carados:
Only noobs don't notice the orange puff when Shaco blinks, and only noobs don't ward. Keep trying?


What kind of Shaco makes it known that he is coming for you? And you'll know if they ward... they'll keep attacking you. At which point, it doesn't really matter that you noobed out with a Stark's. Jump from grass or line of sight with terrain.. isn't that basic stuff? If it's a team fight, and you're already in the fray, I think it is safe to say that they are going to run regardless, so the orange puff really doesn't matter anyway. Let the yi or sivir get the starks.


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Carados

Senior Member

09-05-2010

Quote:
sbudeeG:
Jump from grass or line of sight with terrain.. isn't that basic stuff?

Hint: You can see the puff from his Q through the fog of war.


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sbudeeG

Senior Member

09-05-2010

Hint: If the enemy isn't notably distracted and looking at what is directly in front of them, that is to say not in the fog of war or wherever you are hiding, you shouldn't be jumping in.
Hint: Madred's is still laughable on shaco.
Hint: You use Madred's on sustainable dps champs, not squishy burst champs.
Hint: Shaco is inherently a squishy burst champ. Trying to build him to be something else is only gimping him.
Hint: Stark's is a horrid item for shaco even when you disregard the debuff aura.
Hint: Stark's should be put on somebody like Yi, who is sustained dps, or sivir, who already provides a team buff, and will be around the entire team anyway.


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Klazzix

Senior Member

09-05-2010

Won't the clone dup Bloodrazor? So that's like 2x Bloodrazors per ulti?