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What part about Zyra was "never seen in a MOBA"?

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Devynity

Senior Member

07-12-2012

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Mensidiaverne:
I played HoN for ages before migrating to LoL and I am coming up blank with a comparison.

Maybe you mean Engineer because one of his skills drops an auto attacking turret but that is more like a Heimer turret that lasts for a few seconds before being used up.


back in the day, there was this hero called turret, and he could drop an engineer until he died.


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Duriel

Recruiter

07-12-2012

it's not a 'new mechanic' just a different take on it, there's nothing in any moba that's exactly like zyra.

basically, don't take everything riot says too seriously, phrasing is a huge part of their hype.


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Mensidiaverne

Senior Member

07-12-2012

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Devynity:
back in the day, there was this hero called turret, and he could drop an engineer until he died.


lol I remember that. When he first came out and people bought Thunderclaws then dropped the turret it would kill everybody. Got nerf so hard after the QQ.


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tenrel

Senior Member

07-12-2012

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Aegrotat:
I had a feeling... Then yes, it's not "new" to moba's exactly, just new to league.

Hm, thought it was HoN that I saw it... At any rate, I know I have seen the concept somewhere.


name the hero in dota/hon that does that.

i don't mean just spawning turrets. spawning a unit that evolves depending on which offensive skill you use on it.

name that hero.


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9Point

Senior Member

07-12-2012

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tenrel:
name the hero in dota/hon that does that.

i don't mean just spawning turrets. spawning a unit that evolves depending on which offensive skill you use on it.

name that hero.


Easy.
Hiemer.

Plant turret.
Ult.
Different turret.


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tenrel

Senior Member

07-12-2012

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9Point:
Easy.
Hiemer.

Plant turret.
Ult.
Different turret.


not even close.


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9Point

Senior Member

07-12-2012

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tenrel:
not even close.


Really?

It's so different?

Ok,
I use a ability to lay a turret.
I use another ability on that turret to chqnge its effect.

Replace turret with plant.
Add attack range.

Edit: I'm not saying she isn't cool. But its not new in lol. Funny thing though dota doesn't have a hiemer interaction. So yea, for dota this is unheard of


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Alpha GareBear

Senior Member

07-12-2012

I was rather annoyed.

It's basically a hero that summons plants, with an extra step added in to make it "never before seen".

I mean, it's not really that unique. Sure, this very specific, arbitrary step has probably never been put on a hero before in any ARTT. Does that instantly make it unique? No.

I suppose I'm more annoyed at the phrasing and the dishonesty than that she's not that unique.


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tenrel

Senior Member

07-12-2012

Quote:
9Point:
Really?

It's so different?

Ok,
I use a ability to lay a turret.
I use another ability on that turret to chqnge its effect.

Replace turret with plant.
Add attack range.


not even remotely close.

wold have to be more like.

lay a turret>toss grenade at the turret to turn it into short range tesla coil

or

shoot a rocket at the turret to turn it into a rocket turret.

all heimies ult does is add slow to his existing turret. not even similar to zyra's mechanic.


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TheJohns

Senior Member

07-12-2012

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Aegrotat:
I think it was supposed to be the "Pick your turret" type thing.

Though it has been done before, I believe it was in HoN they had something along those lines...


I can't think of a HoN or DotA hero with upgradable-on-command minions.

But for the first time, I'm genuinely interested in a new LoL champion. Zyra seems like an actually unique concept, and not just yet another champion with one gimmick skill and everything else being generic.


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