STEALTH REWORK (details) HERE

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Caladh

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07-11-2012

'Can I apply for Eve and a skin refunds?'
Sadly, this is the 1st thought that popped up after reading the red posts.

While many things still remain uncertain, the overall feeling I got is that it will no longer be the Evelynn I purchased and loved. From a very niche assassin able to pull off some really weird stuff to... something. Something weird. I don't even know what. Reading the description of her new skills it feels a bit like a bruiser. Or maybe ranged AD (except for range, obviously). But definatelly not an assassin. Things that alienate me from this rework are primarily: no cc (not even a slow), AoE damage, no actual 'invisibility' (if you're being chased you're a toast unless you have flash or can outrun them), health from kills gone, durability gain as part of ult.

Also, blue top and purple bot ungankable unless people push there like madmen. Just GG.


Edit:
What Hoofster said - no more scouting around map. Another painful change.


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Thenarius

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07-11-2012

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remodel eve too shes so ugly like shrek
because literally the only worth of a female character is in her attractiveness

sorry, polygons don't do it for me, brother


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DJay Saint

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07-11-2012

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Unfortunately, no. We tested iterations especially early on where she retained her stun, but quickly realized that it kept pushing her towards a homogenized, bruiser type of champion.

In order to retain the feeling of her as an opportunistic assassin, I focused a lot of efforts on her being very mobile and outmaneuvering her opponents rather than being a brute force.

Overall, I feel she brings a lot more to the table now than simply a single-target stun. So, let's see how this plays out.
What about her slow? If she has no forms of cc left then her ganks would be pretty terrible. Without the stun she at least had a semi-reliable form of cc coming out of stealth to help secure a gank or burn flash. It sounds like now she has 0 cc at all. Being the case if it's true, I'm not sure how she can even be compared to Nocturne because he still has a fear to gank with. Evelynn has what?

I'm not sure how I feel about her stealth detection range, as it destroys her ability to get away from opponents. She currently has no defense mechanisms outside of being able to stealth away. Taking that away from her makes her rely solely on Flash. I think Flash is too much of a crutch. Even then she can still be caught, because of the amount of gap closers in this game currently, it's increasingly hard to get away.

Keeping that in mind, what if you changed her stealth to be completely undetectable for the first 1 or 2 seconds, and then give her the normal stealth detection range after? This would allow for jukes and not make her 100% reliant on flash or die. Movement speed bonus is easily countered by the million and a half forms of slow in this game, and I don't feel like that would be good enough.

Also re: base stats. They were nerfed in to the ground. You guys said they aren't really getting changed or improved. Is that really a good idea? She already has a massively hard time jungling right now as it is because she's so squishy. While the changes are nice, squishy means she's still completely unviable. Is this going to be looked at?


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Xemozu

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07-11-2012

I'm worried for how clear this new system will be, at least for new players. Having two different stealth mechanics for champions is pretty counter-intuitive. Having oracles counter Shaco/twitch but not eve will leave new players confused. As in, they'll be asking themselves what are the differences between eve stealth and the rest?. I think you should try to homogenize the system.


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07-11-2012

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because literally the only worth of a female character is in her attractiveness

sorry, polygons don't do it for me, brother
To be technical real pornography, featuring real women, is also pixels in the shape of polygons. So do real women not do it for you either?


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volaju

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07-11-2012

Honestly this just sounds like you guys were defeated by stealth balance, and have opted to all but remove the mechanic entirely, taking the easy route and making these cornerstone stealth champs into every other champ in the game.

I'm sorry but a stealth that simply puts you into fog of war for the enemy minimap, and a stealth that's sole function is a gapcloser or escape is not maintaining that aspect of the character, it just isn't.

Hell you took two things straight from dota with Eve alone, rikis permastealth aspect, and that disappearance item that grants invis for wards, and reveal upon approach (please deny it, please.) You took from dota, because when you took from wow, you couldn't find the same balance blizzard did (stealth + stun assassin based gameplay...)

Honestly it's not impossible to balance, and it's sad to see these champs get destroyed because you guys didn't have what it took. Hell you didn't even try to get eve in a decent enough place to raise her popularity, you nerfed her into submission, and then ****ing gave up. Now you want to remove her stealth all together, and turn her into something generic.

Whats more, the unique and awesome mechanic that came with Eve and Twitch is now on your little black list of never to do agains, simply because you know it's too hard for you.

Really looking forward to these changes, I'll be sure to compare twitch to his closest counterpart, every other ranged AD in the game, and compare eve to her closest counterpart, every other generic jungler.


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BuddaRoger

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07-11-2012

Very very offtopic, but since we just hit the topic of skins, i may suggest regarding holiday skins - put them up during said holiday and said holiday only each year, this allows you to still make money off of said skins while still be "limited time" to give a reason to buy them at said time, me maining vladimir i hadnt been playing League in 2010 so i couldnt get his vampire skin, yet i would be too glad to part with well over 50$ (call me crazy) for it. any chance you could work out something like this? not to speak for others but many players i talk to would enjoy this type of thing in place, it would be a small but very easy and very smart change, allowing these skins you worked hard to put together to still be in reach of devoted summoners who enjoy their champions.


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Xsistence

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07-11-2012

it'll be ****, and any roaming will end in feeding***roam in a bush into a tanky person***you cant scout for **** setting up ganks with team mates will be a bich to before you stood on top of them and it was instant understanding now you will have to ping for them to know you are willing to initaite since you'll always have to stand at a distance
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And relying on stacks for movement speed?***you dont wanna have that movement speed the ult gave you unless its for escapeing usually on ap eve**you arnt gonna go and try to get stacks on some 1 you wanna escape from.


Ugh just take hr stealth away since its useless and having it will make her have to be frail and have no base defence, and just make her much more tanky, with no stealth and give her the stacks from hateful spikes


... this just pisses me off a suedo stealth that will cuase you to feed with a fake sence of stealth
***i think they should take her stealth away and just make her much more tanky in compinsation
***cuase as long as she has stealth she we be the most squishy champ in game as always only now with no real protection
*** any 1 who is even good with her never stays in line of sight any way or near enemys minions, saying you will still have good map invisability is a joke when it was never even a factor, fk this bs for ruining it for any 1 who actually likes eve


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Xsistence

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07-11-2012

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Originally Posted by Caladh View Post
'Can I apply for Eve and a skin refunds?'
Sadly, this is the 1st thought that popped up after reading the red posts.

While many things still remain uncertain, the overall feeling I got is that it will no longer be the Evelynn I purchased and loved. From a very niche assassin able to pull off some really weird stuff to... something. Something weird. I don't even know what. Reading the description of her new skills it feels a bit like a bruiser. Or maybe ranged AD (except for range, obviously). But definatelly not an assassin. Things that alienate me from this rework are primarily: no cc (not even a slow), AoE damage, no actual 'invisibility' (if you're being chased you're a toast unless you have flash or can outrun them), health from kills gone, durability gain as part of ult.

Also, blue top and purple bot ungankable unless people push there like madmen. Just GG.


Edit:
What Hoofster said - no more scouting around map. Another painful change.

I want a a Refund as well i own all her skins even masquerade give me my money back


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Caladh

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07-11-2012

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I want a a Refund as well i own all her skins even masquerade give me my money back
You're mistaken. I do not want a refund yet, as there are still too many unaswered questions on Eve. For example, what about Ravage? Moreover, nothing is known about any numbers including base stats, stat growth per level or skills base 'power' and scaling.

What I'm pointing out is that I had faith in Riot that they'd manage to preserve at least part of unique feeling Eve had, but it appears they lost it at some point. Thus I'm disappointed.

The champion might be good in the long run, but so far, I cannot call it Evelynn, the Widowmaker.