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STEALTH REWORK (details) HERE

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Fluff the Panda

Senior Member

07-10-2012

Honestly the only thing I want to know is where eve fits in the meta. She can't be bot lane because then the ranged AD will probably get screwed. She can barely jungle to begin with...


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Broken Umbrella

Senior Member

07-10-2012

This thread is going places


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Bmx522

Junior Member

07-10-2012

Quote:
Morello:
Hi everyone,

I have news on our Twitch and Eve reworks, or what you’ve come to recognize as the infamous "stealth rework."

I know this has been a major pain for Twitch and especially Eve players for a long time – far too long. It’s also been tough to communicate with you guys on this particular subject due to some failed experiments and iterations that impacted its timeline. That’s been a bad experience for all of you, and we’re sorry for the long radio silence. We’ve learned a lot.

Why Twitch and Eve needed change

First, I want to provide context – this might be a repeat for some of you, but it’s really important to understand why we believe these changes are necessary:

Long-term stealth is a contentious mechanic. It’s really fun for the person using it to gank, but it absolutely blows for the player on the receiving end. Long-term stealth encourages hugging your tower all day long, with stealth detection such as Oracles or Vision Wards being the only viable counter-play option, which is a binary and boring mechanic. Not fun.

It’s also proven near-impossible to balance these mechanics. Long-term stealth isn’t effective against high level players, because they know how to counter it, so it’s never something we’d see in pro-level play. That runs contrary to our goals of increasing the diversity of champion picks. Today, we consistently see over 70% of champions picked in tournaments, but almost never these champions. This is better than it’s ever been in this genre but we’d like to see even more.

But stealth is cool!

All that said, there are some characteristics of long-term stealth we want to preserve. It’s satisfying for scouting and concealing map movement. It allows for some powerful counter-jungling opportunities. It can set the stage for some clutch late game moments.

So in order to deliver the fun of stealth while removing the toxic elements, we explored A LOT of ideas. And we explored them in great depth. You might remember some of the ideas we floated on the forums – ‘robot chicken’ scouting drone, footprints, and others. Those were only a few of the ideas we designed, prototyped, and ultimately decided weren’t good enough to get the job done.

Where we ended up

So, where did we end up? Twitch and Eve are both getting complete ability remakes. Eve is getting new abilities that include a reworked version of long-term stealth, with some similar mechanics to what we attempted a while ago. Twitch is getting shorter-term, tactical stealth and significant kit changes to improve his performance as both an assassin and AD carry.

Let’s talk about Eve in more detail first – because, let’s face it, she’s the most negatively impacted by her current state. For that, I’ll turn it over to Statikk, who’s working on finalizing Eve’s design.


Any one else read all that in Morellos voice?


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Fishous

Senior Member

07-10-2012

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epiikk:
1100 range stealth detection = eve might as well not have stealth at all

it's not hyperbole, it's the #1 reason that stealth is so useless except as an escape (and even that is pretty bad)


Come in behind them, wards won't give any warning. It's no different than when a jungler ganks, except now even wards won't help. Stop being whiny all the god **** time.


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Puhleez

Member

07-10-2012

Does this mean we are getting 2 extra bans so we can make sure they never get played?


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TerraceSolace

Senior Member

07-10-2012

So does this mean Eve's skins will also get a revamp (and possibly a new skin :3)?

Edit: Awesome work on this rework! As some certain guy we all know and love would say: Worth the wait!


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DivineWispers

Junior Member

07-10-2012

Hey Morello! Are we expecting an Irelia nerf or buff this patch? ^.^


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mukmanX

Senior Member

07-10-2012

So has the vile bolts ability for twitch been completely scrapped? Also, will we get exterminator twitch along with the stealth rework?


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Evolnemesis

Senior Member

07-10-2012

Now rework heimer dammit!!!


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8EqualsCapital D

Senior Member

07-10-2012

So I'm guessing we're gonna get Exterminator Twitch skin with this release??
Also Kingpin Twitch skin needs some love, new art work and a model change would be nice. Some people don't even notice the difference until I tell them it's a skin.