Thornmail Question

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Vichar

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09-02-2010

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does it stack with rammus w?
Yes.


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Lawful

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09-02-2010

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does it stack with rammus w?
It should, but as two different sources since Rammus W reflects a certain amount of damage, but thorn mail reflects a percent of damage.


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Kungfengshui

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09-02-2010

If you use it against Yi, Twitch, Jax etc it will make them melt their own faces.


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Radamanthys3

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09-02-2010

Defensive Ball Curl and Thornmail work very differently

With DBC, its most optimal when the enemy will hit you for minimal damage per hit, but multiple times because it returns 50ish damage each time you're hit.

With Thornmail, its most optimal when the enemy will hit you for plenty of damage, because it will return a % of the damage you would receive

IIRC, Thornmail calculates damage without taking account additional armor you get, if it doesn't and it returns the damage you get after armor, then it clashes with DBC wouldnt you think?


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Baconnaise

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09-02-2010

I'm curious about the results of having thornmail when the opposing side has two starks users or more. If it's negated that easily then I would question it's worth in certain situations.


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Baconnaise

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09-02-2010

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Originally Posted by Radamanthys3 View Post
Defensive Ball Curl and Thornmail work very differently

With DBC, its most optimal when the enemy will hit you for minimal damage per hit, but multiple times because it returns 50ish damage each time you're hit.

With Thornmail, its most optimal when the enemy will hit you for plenty of damage, because it will return a % of the damage you would receive

IIRC, Thornmail calculates damage without taking account additional armor you get, if it doesn't and it returns the damage you get after armor, then it clashes with DBC wouldnt you think?
That's actually a good point. DBC makes it less effective.


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MeditationError

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09-02-2010

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Originally Posted by Radamanthys3 View Post
Defensive Ball Curl and Thornmail work very differently

With DBC, its most optimal when the enemy will hit you for minimal damage per hit, but multiple times because it returns 50ish damage each time you're hit.

With Thornmail, its most optimal when the enemy will hit you for plenty of damage, because it will return a % of the damage you would receive

IIRC, Thornmail calculates damage without taking account additional armor you get, if it doesn't and it returns the damage you get after armor, then it clashes with DBC wouldnt you think?
Thornmail returns pre-mitigated damage. If you stack enough armour, squishies can do more damage to themselves than you.

Also, because thornmail just returns % damage, it doesn't care how the damage is distributed. If someone hits you once for 100 damage, it will return 30, and if someone hits you twice for 50 damage, it will return 30.

You're right about dbc, though - it's particularly good at smashing Yi and Twitch.


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SwatNigglet

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09-02-2010

Thornmail is good with galio.

Ult+ thormail == WDFBBQSAUCE?


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Radamanthys3

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09-02-2010

If its pre-mitigated damage then by all means get DBC and Thornmail together when facing a team that is majorily physical attackers or are getting carried by one.

Thing about Thornmail is it clashes with Randuin's and Frozen Heart because the damage output you'd return to them is decreased by them attacking less frecuently so you'd have to choose if decreasing their DPS is (Randuin) or absorbing it and and returning it back as damage (thornmail) is better.


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