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Jayce's background makes Viktor look like a hypocrite and a saturday morning villain.

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Xohs

Senior Member

07-03-2012

you're missing the point that you're making viktor not viktor. Jayce could fly on a hovering hotdog for all I care, but honestly, his lore is NOT the place to start this Viktor vs. Jayce nonsense.


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Kent Mojo

Member

07-03-2012

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RiotRunaan:
... he's going to run into challenges and struggle along his journey.


No he's not. A champion's lore no longer continues after their release. The demise of the JoJ cemented that.

I know Riot is planning on delivering lore to us in new ways, but planning and doing are entirely different things.


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Juggernaut N

Senior Member

07-03-2012

Why not make it like Viktor was trying to make people like himself (half machine) which would reinforce the whole mad scientist part and Jayce tries to stop him or something. I mean anything is better than having viktor steal Jayce's equipment. Viktor should be smarter and thus doesen't need Jayce's technology. It just kills Viktor's whole lore tbh.


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Echorion

Senior Member

07-03-2012

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RiotRunaan:
It isn't Jayce's opinion of himself, it's just a story about his particular moment of glory. The point is that some of his actions in the story can be seen as flaws that may hinder him in his future endeavors, though. Jayce is a hero at heart, but he's going to run into challenges and struggle along his journey.


No, they wanted to make Iron Man into league, Tony Stark resembles this character in almost everyway...


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Vulking

Senior Member

07-03-2012

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Echorion:
No, they wanted to make Iron Man into league, Tony Stark resembles this character in almost everyway...


Minus the drinking, which is sad because that was a flaw of Tony that make him interesting since he always has trouble with it and had to struggle a lot to leave it behind (Comic Wise).


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CynicalGiant

Senior Member

07-03-2012

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RiotRunaan:
It isn't Jayce's opinion of himself, it's just a story about his particular moment of glory. The point is that some of his actions in the story can be seen as flaws that may hinder him in his future endeavors, though. Jayce is a hero at heart, but he's going to run into challenges and struggle along his journey.


I think you should alter Viktor's and Jayce's lore to outline more of their individual personalities.


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Emperor Z19

Senior Member

07-03-2012

I know this is from like, a bajillion pages ago, and it may have been acknowledged already, but I fully support the simple act of changing "Victor" to "Veigar" in Jayce's lore. It sounds exactly like something Veigar would do, and fits quite well in his cartoonishly villainous style. For Viktor, on the other hand, it's just borderline OOC. Not only is it unnecessary for him to steal other people's inventions, but it's very hypocritical of him.

I like the idea of the lore being Jayce's own idealized spin on the story, but unless he's flat out lying about Viktor's actions, the basics are flawed.


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Eletale

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07-03-2012

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RiotRunaan:
Hi everyone,

We’ve been keeping an eye on this thread today (and others about Jayce and Viktor), and now that we’ve had a chance to listen to you guys and contemplate your feedback, we wanted to jump in.

Let’s talk about Viktor and Jayce, as we envision them:

We’d like to evolve Viktor into a complex, tormented villain in the League of Legends story, but we also want him to remain the sympathetic – and possibly redeemable – character he’s established to be in his own lore. Tormented and obsessed with the superiority of machines, Viktor is on a slow descent into madness, and he seeks to push his “glorious evolution” – the transformation from man to machine – onto Runeterra at large. His confrontation with Piltover, a place he sees as weak (full of puny-minded scientists who could, after all, be “so much more&#8221 was a step in this direction. The “acolytes” mentioned in Jayce’s bio were not random minions but in fact Zaunite humans Viktor has swayed to his cause (and augmented, of course, with “improvements&#8221. Jayce stood against him, and such opposition is the first setback in Viktor’s plan – something he’ll have to overcome.

Unfortunately, within the storytelling constraints of a bio, we weren’t able to paint this nuanced picture of Viktor as we envision him.

Jayce’s bio is a story about Jayce. This is the way in which the humble inventor became a hero, but it’s also just the beginning of his journey. We wanted to hint at a lot of flaws he’s going to have to overcome: he’s brash, he has trouble with authority, and he’s more than a little arrogant. For example, from anyone’s perspective but his own, destroying Viktor’s lab in its entirety might have been overzealous. Secondly, Jayce ignored the warnings of the Piltover government to strike against Viktor alone, which speaks to his recklessness and arrogance. His actions had the greater good in mind: Jayce truly does embody Piltover’s focus on the purity of science and progress, and Viktor stands directly in opposition to those values. Jayce may have gotten a little bit lucky this time, though. Viktor underestimated Piltover, and thus underestimated Jayce. Things might not turn out so well for the Defender of Tomorrow the next time the two cross paths.

Overall, we want to set the stage for an epic struggle between our two paragons of science in Piltover and Zaun. After listening to your feedback today, we don’t think we quite accomplished that with Jayce’s bio. With that in mind, the Creative team is going to take a look at Jayce’s bio over the coming days and evaluate ways to improve it.

You might think a thread like this would be hard for us to read – but it’s actually incredibly rewarding to hear how passionate you all are about our characters and lore. Thanks for your enthusiastic feedback!

Even if you want to give Viktor the role of a villain, It still clashes with his personality, madness or not, the fact that he stole technology from Jayce's lab. You said yourself he considers Piltover as weak, and as an evil genius and still retaining the hatred he felt towards the one who stole his work, he seems as someone too prideful in his own work to go and steal from others, he needs to show others the strenght of the "glorious evolution" and by stealing from Piltover it's as if he's recognizing they are stronger than he is. The whole situation feels completely out of character, and just a cheap excuse to get Jayce involved in the story.
Also, even you you want to attribute his defeat and subsequent escape to underestimating his enemy, the whole scene could have been a little more elaborated, even if it's just a quick lore resume, instead of the current "Oh ****, better run".


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Excalibur00

Senior Member

07-03-2012

Why do they have to make it a fight in which one has to lose? Why not just make Jayce a defender of Piltover and has saved the town countless times, and that now he must prepare himself to protect the town from Viktor and his "glorious revolution".

P.S: Also, please change it so Viktor does not STEAL anything. Viktor is too smart and too proud of his intelect to steal anything from anyone, he would rather instead make something better or "improve it" in his own way.


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Takran

Senior Member

07-03-2012

Thanks for the clarification RiotRunaan.

I agree that the Jayce vs Viktor rivalry is an awesome idea, I just think that starting it by having Viktor break his own value of stealing somebody else's material conflicts too harshly with what was already established. If Viktor had some right to/background with the technology, or even some relation to Jayce deeper than just swooping in and stealing technology for weapons, both characters would come out with a stronger personality and rivalry. Getting the descent into madness for Viktor across clearly will make things much better, especially if his redeemable qualities still shine.