Wouldnt Darius be balanced...

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Vsin

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06-07-2012

Honestly? He would be kinda mediocre-average.

Half the threat of dueling Darius is that his normal abilities only need to get you to ~15-25% HP in order for him to win. If he didn't have that execute, he'd stuffer from "Garen Without Ultimate" syndrome where after throwing everything including the kitchen sink at his targets, he'd then be flailing slowly at his target of choice while praying they don't get out of range before his cooldowns come back.


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FromageEnroulent

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06-07-2012

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Originally Posted by EzraTwitch View Post
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It easy to make people sound good when its done in a vacuum with out numbers.
then check your numbers, i made a post comparing him to garen under yours somewhere. he trumps garen in every aspect. in every single one of your comparisons to other AD casters, you didnt even mention the retarded true damage of his ultimate, which is what this is about.

the difference between him and all those other awesome guys is that you cant build armor to counter him.

also, whats with this?
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The only thing Darius had going for him was his ult reset, which since the nerf seldom happens, (or if it does happens its on someone who would have died anyway during a gank).
with a moderate build his ult will do close to 1k true damage. that can kill a carry from half health, and most others save HP builders from 1/3 health. how much more of a crutch do you need to execute someone?


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EzraTwitch

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06-07-2012

So does Garen, So does Riven, So Does Pantheon. In Garen and Rivens case they can do that AND STILL NOT DIE TO GANKS. In Pantheon's case he can Gank Mid from top and has Global utility in the late game and is much less kitable.

Why would you choose Darius over any one of them when he has late game worse then a properly built Garen, Worse then a badly built Riven, and less utility then pantheon. He seriously isnt that good, expecially in the late game. His ratios are so low that to out put decent damage he has to build damage to have anything of value other then a short range grab and his ult which makes him explode from AoE damage (no focus required), or you build tanky, but do to your abysmally low ratios means you do no damage late game with anything other than your ult, but since the nerf to the grace period he doesn't even have that any more.

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People always go straight to the no sustain/hardcc/mobility argument, but they forget that
1. Darius bullies most tops out of lane starting at an early level.
2. Very few tanky dps can fight him at any point in the game cause dat bleed dmg, true dmg ulti, massive armor pen and dat 200% dmg aa reset W on a short cd once bleed stacks happen.
3. Any squishy grabbed by him is probably dead w/o flashing.
The reason people jump to those arguments, is because they are accurate reason why he isnt very good.


1: Wrong, Darius Bullies most tops out of lane who lack sustain and in doing so makes himself extremely vulnerable to ganks. I have literally seen a Darius get out farmed by a an Eve who started 13 health pots, that's freaking embarrassing.
2: No just no, Practically every tanky dps beats him late game, because he lacks sustain (even if building lifesteal), has no hard CC, and no steroids, and **** AD ratios.
3:Yea, that's true of pretty much any Tanky DPS that closes with a out of position carry, the difference is they have abilities that prevent them from flashing so they can even kill them with flash.

Pantheon: Cant Flash for 1.5 Seconds.
Riven: Cant Flash for 1 second if W and last Q timed properly.
Warwick: Cant Flash for 1.8 seconds
Garen: Cant Flash for 2.5 seconds.

Darius, is overrated and a terrible pick against competent players.


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LemmeEatYou

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06-07-2012

I'm ok with his ult not resetting on kill if it resets his flash instead, lol.


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Khäosmaker

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06-07-2012

The refresh is one of the main unique features of him as a champion. Take that away from him he's a gimped version of Garen with mana (obviously not the same skill set but you get my point...)


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06-07-2012

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Originally Posted by EzraTwitch View Post
So does Garen, So does Riven, So Does Pantheon. In Garen and Rivens case they can do that AND STILL NOT DIE TO GANKS. In Pantheon's case he can Gank Mid from top and has Global utility in the late game and is much less kitable.

Why would you choose Darius over any one of them when he has late game worse then a properly built Garen, Worse then a badly built Riven, and less utility then pantheon. He seriously isnt that good, expecially in the late game. His ratios are so low that to out put decent damage he has to build damage to have anything of value other then a short range grab and his ult which makes him explode from AoE damage (no focus required), or you build tanky, but do to your abysmally low ratios means you do no damage late game with anything other than your ult, but since the nerf to the grace period he doesn't even have that any more.



The reason people jump to those arguments, is because they are accurate reason why he isnt very good.


1: Wrong, Darius Bullies most tops out of lane who lack sustain and in doing so makes himself extremely vulnerable to ganks. I have literally seen a Darius get out farmed by a an Eve who started 13 health pots, that's freaking embarrassing.
2: No just no, Practically every tanky dps beats him late game, because he lacks sustain (even if building lifesteal), has no hard CC, and no steroids, and **** AD ratios.
3:Yea, that's true of pretty much any Tanky DPS that closes with a out of position carry, the difference is they have abilities that prevent them from flashing so they can even kill them with flash.

Pantheon: Cant Flash for 1.5 Seconds.
Riven: Cant Flash for 1 second if W and last Q timed properly.
Warwick: Cant Flash for 1.8 seconds
Garen: Cant Flash for 2.5 seconds.

Darius, isnt overrated and a terrible pick against competent players.
How many characters can sustain early vs his 105 dmg Q w/ a 1.05 ratio that is also applying another 12 + .3 ad bleed every 9 sec at 425 range?
And then later, dat 200% ad + aa reset W means that no one can fight him in a drawn out fight. Especially since is also lowers attack speed by a fair amount.


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AppleIncSalesRep

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06-07-2012

if anyone does their role right in this game it's op. I hate this place


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FromageEnroulent

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06-07-2012

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Originally Posted by EzraTwitch View Post
So does Garen, So does Riven, So Does Pantheon. In Garen and Rivens case they can do that AND STILL NOT DIE TO GANKS.
wanna know a secret? if you ward the river, you can actually SEE people coming to gank you. makes it a hell of a lot easier to survive a gank if you arent there when they show up yeah?

also, you call Darius a pubstomper, and worthless at high ELO. you know what that sounds like? someone who needs to get nerfed in some areas and compensated in others.

Eve was one of those pubstompers, and because of how hard she stomped bad players she was ravaged.

whens the last time youve seen QQ like this on the GD about a champion? where almost all players will say darius is retarded, and even many PRO players have commented on Darius' questionable mechanics.


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FromageEnroulent

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06-07-2012

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Originally Posted by Chariizahrd View Post
The refresh is one of the main unique features of him as a champion. Take that away from him he's a gimped version of Garen with mana (obviously not the same skill set but you get my point...)
read the posts before, he trumps Garen in almost every situation in his current state. nerf the ult, and theyll be different champs for different situations.


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Jake Compton

Senior Member

06-07-2012

Garen's ult should do true damage and Darius's do Magic.
If Darius's ult is going to refresh, it should not be a spammy ~800 TRUE damage.
Garen's ult is used once and only once every 1-2 minutes. It does MAGIC damage on a solid AD champ... It's ridiculously stupid.