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RedHaro

Senior Member

06-02-2012

Why has the meta gone 1 AD, 1 Support for bot?

I mean.. there are a ton of combinations that are good bot which isnt necessarily AD/Support but viable cause of its great synergy.

Sion/Taric (double stun pew pew)
Pantheon/Jax (double Jump, smackdown)
etc


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SummoningGiraffe

Junior Member

06-02-2012

Simple, the meta is all based around getting farmed. As well as getting levels and who can get thier ults the fastest.
With a support, the AD carry can get all the farm sine the support needs 0 farm. Not only that, but Ranged AD carries do not rely on getting their ult's and such for the most part, as their strength comes from items. So while the 2 other lanes get fast experience which is something they need, the ranged AD carry + support will be behind but it won't be such an issue. Also looking at farm, putting two bruisers or whatever the case may be would mean they would have to share farm, which in turn would hinder them both because both of the two champs will not be getting the items they need to compete against everyone else.

Also, certain supports already syngerize very well with certain Ad carries (Blitz + Vayne, Janna + Ez/Corki, etc., etc..)


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Cenerae

Senior Member

06-02-2012

It's being done because it's safe.

Having your carry in a solo lane can certainly be done, but on their own they're easier to gank and shut down.

You could quite easily put the carry solo and run a kill lane in bot with a bruiser and support if you wanted to, but you'd have to hope your carry can do well enough on their own, and that the kill lane gets kills. Otherwise your bot lane mind end up behind since they can't really go roaming.


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powwder

Senior Member

06-02-2012

thats the bottom lane because stone cold said so


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Mokse

Junior Member

06-04-2012

What about having a carry bot with someone like jax, pantheon, or sion supporting them? They go for a really aggressive lane where they try to feed the non-carry kills and let the ranged carry get CS and assists?


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FingFuzzball

Senior Member

06-05-2012

Those characters require farm to do well, supports tend to do better than other champions with fewer items. That being said however, I hope there will be a better source of gold income for support champions than building gp/10 constantly and hoping you get assists. Having to depend on someone on your team for gold is terrible. Especially when they expect you to ward every bush.


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Cenerae

Senior Member

06-05-2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokse View Post
What about having a carry bot with someone like jax, pantheon, or sion supporting them? They go for a really aggressive lane where they try to feed the non-carry kills and let the ranged carry get CS and assists?
Because champions like Jax, Pantheon and Sion need far more farm than can be gotten soley off champion kills if they intend to be effective later on.

And you can simulate the same effect by using Taric, Blitzcrank, Alistar or Leona as your support anyway.


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Something Snazzy

Senior Member

06-05-2012

Since everyone else covered why you want a support bottom, I will cover why you want a ranged AD carry bottom.

The main reason is because you want a farmed AD ranged carry to sit back and dish out ridiculous damage late game and most traditional tops or mids will destroy ranged carries, particularly with ganks from jungle. So the only real way to get a super farmed AD ranged carry is to grab a support to help protect the carry. However, there are a couple situations where you can forgo putting a ranged carry bottom and do quite well.

First is when they have a mid/top champion who is easily and obviously countered by a ranged carry. Then you can stick an AD carry mid/top. There are a few champions (WW comes to mind) that get absolutely destroyed by a ranged carry top, particularly one with a strong slow/jump like Cait or Ashe. Kass is a great example mid. Siv, with her great pushing, spell shield, MS boost, crazy damage from Q when Kass gets close, etc, can dominate him.

The second situation is if their team can dive AD carries very well (i.e. lots of jumpy/bruiser type champs) but otherwise have a weak comp. A team comp like Leona, Irelia, Ahri, Nocture, Ez means that you can typically forgo an AD ranged carry all together.

The main reason that these almost never happen in games, though, is due to the fact that there are safer, more practiced counters to the same situations. Sticking a BV on a ranged carry can help alleviate a very jumpy/bruiser comp, for example. And while a smart and skilled Ashe can absolutely dominate WW beyond belief, not only does it take a bit of practice and knowledge of WW but there are also plenty of other, more traditional, top champions that can also beat WW in lane.

And the biggest issue is that removing a ranged carry from bottom means that you HAVE to get kills in bot lane (or at the VERY least, force their carry to back regularly). Mages typically need mana, levels or both to be effective in lane. This is great if you can get a kill or force your opponent to retreat, gaining more levels than them or allowing yourself the freedom to back for mana without their carry freefarming. And going support/melee or even two aggressive melee champs can work out very well (Voli and Blitz can absolutely destroy lane), buuut if the other team plays safe, wards brush, picks a strong defensive healer like Ali/Taric, waits for ganks, etc, you WILL lose farm or not get a level advantage.


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Mokse

Junior Member

06-08-2012

Coolness never had it explained to me that well. Thanks.