Lol @ Swain

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Blazeise

Senior Member

05-26-2012

Lol when athene's grail came out I thought, "FINALLY, swain can not constantly be oom in teamfights!" ....then i played him. RoA, athenes, easily oom in 10 seconds with ult going and pushing out spells. Rofl. My god his ult doesnt even do any damage anymore just let him freaking keep it up, Riot!


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Baval

Senior Member

05-26-2012

The cup is better the less total mana you have. Swains mana pool is fairly high and his ult costs a lot. Did you expect the cup to just let you keep your ult up at all times?


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Blazeise

Senior Member

05-26-2012

its not better the less total mana....thats insane talk. it goes by % of mana....theres no downside at all to having more mana lol


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DarkerStix

Senior Member

05-26-2012

If you're going to be useful in team fights with Swain, you HAVE to have blue buff. It's just a fact.


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Blazeise

Senior Member

05-26-2012

lol yeah i havent got blue buff AND athenes yet. hopefully itll be enough. Blue buff alone isnt enough, i know that.


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Baval

Senior Member

05-26-2012

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Originally Posted by Blazeise View Post
its not better the less total mana....thats insane talk. it goes by % of mana....theres no downside at all to having more mana lol
ok fine smart guy let me explain this to you.

If you have 100 total mana and you cast one spell that costs 25 mana the cup will increase your mana regen 25%.

If you have 1000 total mana and you cast that same spell for 25 mana the cup will increase your mana regen 2.5%

furthermore having more total mana means that you need more mana regen to maintain a significant mana recovery rate. 25mp5 restores a 100 mana par in 20 seconds. Its restores a 1000 mana bar in over 2 minutes.

which one is better?

Ideally you would want the cup to be able to regenerate mana at 0 mana fast enough that you have enough mana back to cast a spell by the time a spell becomes available to cast at all times. The less mana pool you have and thus the less your spells cost the more likely this is.

Gimme a call when you figure it out.


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AileTheAlien

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05-26-2012

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Gimme a call when you figure it out.
Yes, the regen part itself, ignoring running out of mana, works better with mana regen and lower total mana.
However, the other passive, which restores a % of your max mana on a kill or assist is far better with a bigger mana pool.
Furthermore, if your total mana is small enough that one spell drops you from high mana (let's say above 50%) to 0% mana, then you cannot cast any of your other spells during the time you're getting the best mana regen.

So really:
If you want to use continuous spells like Anivia's, Swains, or Maokai's ultimates, then you want a small-ish mana pool, with lots of other mana regen.
But if you want to maximize the mana back on kills and assists, then you're going to want a big mana pool.


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Blazeise

Senior Member

05-26-2012

LOL..... wow man. You are SO FAR off base. Ok, if you have 100 mana, and cast a spell that costs 100 mana (now 0 mana), your regen will be increased 100% and lets say its a base of 10 mp5, that means it goes up to 20 whopping mp5.But as soon as you gain 1 mana, it drops 1%, and drops 1% for every mana gained thereafter. So basically you get up to 50 mana and ur regenning at the same rate as if you had 1000 base mana and are down to 500. 1000 base mana - 50% = 500 mana = 50% increased mana regen. 100 mana - 50% = 50 mana = 50% increased mana regen, but u dont actually have enough to cast a spell with only 50 mana now do you? Lol hopefully you understand this. Its like saying that mundo should have as little hp as possible to make his ult better.


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Blazeise

Senior Member

05-26-2012

In other words, whether you have 50 mana or 500, you are still regenning 15 mana per 5 seconds bc its 50% of your total pool. So is it better to be regenning 15 mp5 and have enough to cast spells still, or be regenning it but not have enough mana to cast anything. Oh heres the killer, when you get down to 50 mana from your 1000 mana pool, instead of it being 15 mp5 (50% increase) which would be what it is with 100 mana, it will be increased to 95 PERCENT! giving u almost the full 20 mp5


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Blazeise

Senior Member

06-04-2012

o snap swain buffs inc


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