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@Morello so about Vayne

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Bjöörn

Senior Member

05-25-2012

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jmlinden7:
She has hard CC and a positioning tool before lvl6. This is supposed to compensate for her short range and squishiness.

I don't feel like it is enough, the enemy will just dash to you and kill you in seconds and with the low base movement speed you can't kite and you will die in 2 seconds, you will never be able to shoot 3 shots to proc silver bolts.

I think that giving back her movement speed or give her some better base stats would help her A LOT. Because she is in a very bad place at the moment. Corki, Kog'Maw, Urgot, Graves, Caitlyn do everything she does but better, except for the true damage.


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Bjöörn

Senior Member

05-25-2012

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Sorakas:
Good points. I think her first 3 moves should be left alone, her Ults movement speed should be taken out and added to her passive. Her ult would be nice if it made her silver bolts apply a slow. But then again she might become over powered.

Very good idea... Or maybe if her ultimate just gave her increased damage and attack speed?

Because right now, Vayne is super weak. She is wrecked by basically anyone. Even Taric can kill her 1v1. :S


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Bjöörn

Senior Member

05-25-2012

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Leib Olmai:
You don't have the actually real stats on win / lose ratio.
The website you are using is innacurate.

Hanover, IPL4 tournys is inaccurate? Vayne has no chance against any of the other AD carries sadly.

Vayne might be useful against tanks like Udyr... But Irelia will just jump on you and so will Riven. She feels like a Twitch right now without stealth.


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DefNDum

Senior Member

05-25-2012

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jmlinden7:
She has hard CC and a positioning tool before lvl6. This is supposed to compensate for her short range and squishiness.


meanwhile graves...

his built in flash is farther and goes through terrain while hers does not. he has a 15 sec cd on a nocturne ult and slows as well. his ult is 10x stronger and does aoe, and his Q destroys everyone in front of him during laning.


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Bjöörn

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05-25-2012

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DefNDum:
meanwhile graves...

his built in flash is farther and goes through terrain while hers does not. he has a 15 sec cd on a nocturne ult and slows as well. his ult is 10x stronger and does aoe, and his Q destroys everyone in front of him during laning.

And Corki have 3 extremely good dps abilities and Caitlyn has range, so she can actually do damage in teamfights and they wont be able to just jump on you.
Vayne is outclassed and hitting her movement speed was hitting the wrong spot.


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Angel the Dragon

Senior Member

05-25-2012

shes good...if you manage to not feed all to hell during her rediculously weak lane phase


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Verxint

Senior Member

05-25-2012

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defndum:
meanwhile graves...

His built in flash is farther and goes through terrain while hers does not. He has a 15 sec cd on a nocturne ult and slows as well. His ult is 10x stronger and does aoe, and his q destroys everyone in front of him during laning.


so much hyperbole

omfg


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Malgana

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05-25-2012

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XtremeApocalypse:
She actually has an escape and a knockback unlike kog and ashe.


There's a huge difference here though, Vayne has one of the lowest base movement speeds in the game, it's even lower than Anivia.
Imagine a scenario where the entire enemy team is running at you. Ashe? volley and walk away, you've got the move speed to do so.
Kog? same thing with the slow.
Vayne? she's got a tumble and her E, there's still 3 more of them coming at you and you're **** out of options short of ulting and hoping the 1 second stealth sends them the wrong way which most times doesn't even matter since you've got abysmal movement speed and they'll catch up anyway.

IMO she should be doing more damage than Kog'maw with her range and speed like it is, but she doesn't because she can never get in range to deal damage without getting totally bowled over by the enemy team.


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Leib Olmai

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05-25-2012

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Bjöörn:
Hanover, IPL4 tournys is inaccurate?


Yep.

If you are using only 2 tournament, and one of them is pretty old...
Considering there's ALOT of them that have been played since then... especially hannover, I don't even know why you even mentionned it.
Plus why would you even talk about tournament-level balance ? When it's doesn't affect you - at all. And actually don't know anything about it...

If they want advice on how to change Vayne accordingly to tournament level, they won't listen to random people in this thread but will directly ask Pro AD carry.
Note that they don't only balance the game around tournament, they sometime need balance it around every single level of play.

Riot have to consider NA, EU, Asia. And more than just your little sample of game.


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Bjöörn

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05-25-2012

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Angel the Dragon:
shes good...if you manage to not feed all to hell during her rediculously weak lane phase

She is not. You can't even kite people with her anymore.
They should have hit her late game and not her lane phase which was already terrible.

Without her movement speed people will just jump on you, meanwhile Graves and corki have real dashes that go over Terrain and long range AoE pokes.