Noxus - The misunderstood EVIL

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EpicLotus

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05-18-2012

I think is correct to assume everyone consider Noxus the "bad guys" but are they really?

Look at the values they clearly endorse;

- Survival of the fittest - It means you can reach for the stars as long as you work for it, youīre not bounded by a "glass ceiling" that limits your potencial or talents, anyone can go anywhere in life as long as theyīre able, no family name or social status will diminish or increase your accomplishments. That is capitalism at its finest.

- The end justifies the means - Some people might find this cheap and dishonarable, but is it? When you donīt do anything to seize what you really want, arenīt you in fact a coward?
When you donīt seize any sort of advantage you can over your oponent, arenīt you not giving him the true value and respect he deserves? War is always ugly, using "cheap" tactics doesnīt make it uglier...

And other "not so clear" values like;

Honor - They didnīt have to give Ionia a rematch, they won the first battle when the league was 1st founded. But they did.
And graciously retreated upon losing, keeping their word.

My point is, summoners, open your eyes and donīt fall into flawed propaganda, Noxus are not the "bad guys", theyīre just "guys", just one more "shade of gray".
Much like in real life, noone is pure good or evil, just a ironic mix of both.


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AskMadmanMundo

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05-18-2012

There is no good nor evil only people who do things by different means for different reasons. However I think this has been established already.


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05-18-2012

Oh for the love of god...


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EpicLotus

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05-18-2012

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There is no good nor evil only people who do things by different means for different reasons. However I think this has been established already.
I would like to believe so, but how many times in lore Noxus is portraited as nothing more than an evil, sadistic bunch of madman?(Standing for a rematch when they had Ionia in its rule already... and thatīs it)

How many times we see somthing that could be interpreted as "Evil" coming from Demacia or Ionia?( only lux judment comes to mind, but in fairly weak fashion)

I think in this point of lore Riot did fairly poorly giving CLEAR reasons to endorse both sides... equally.


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Shadow Master

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05-18-2012

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I would like to believe so, but how many times in lore Noxus is portraited as nothing more than an evil, sadistic bunch of madman?(Standing for a rematch when they had Ionia in its rule already... and thatīs it)

How many times we see somthing that could be interpreted as "Evil" coming from Demacia or Ionia?( only lux judment comes to mind, but in fairly weak fashion)

I think in this point of lore Riot did fairly poorly giving CLEAR reasons to endorse both sides... equally.
So according to you, brutal massacres (Noxus) are evil, but extreme social restraints and lack of freedom (Demacia) are not?

There is no good or evil. Just various philosophies and ambitions.


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Melancholy Exile

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05-18-2012

Noxus is not inherently evil but the values it extols naturally move people towards that side of the spectrum:

Survival of the fittest:
It encourages those with power to use every means at their disposal to crush anyone who could ever challenge them and usurp their position. The "Glass ceiling" exists because those with power and influence are free to pass it on to their descendants or support, and empower, whoever they choose. The Du Couteaus are a fine example of this.

"The ends justify the means":
Are you really saying that following the 'rules of war' makes for a conflict no less ugly than one with deregulated chemical warfare and outright terrorism? Were the Noxians "Respecting" the Ionians by butchering their civilian population, rather than taking prisoners?

It's a "cheap and disrespectful" tactic because it shows that you're too afraid to face your enemy in a fair fight. You don't have the will, or self-belief, to meet the enemy on the field of battle and let tactics, and strength of arm, decide the better.

"In Noxus, only the strong survive". How does crippling your enemy and acting in clear fear of their power prove your strength?

Honour:
Of course they gave Ionia a rematch: A victory would have given them a legitimate say in the future of the state.

They couldn't go back on their word in the aftermath because that would have incurred the wrath of the League and, more or less, brought about a new Rune War. Noxus wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.


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EpicLotus

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05-18-2012

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Originally Posted by Melancholy Exile View Post
Noxus is not inherently evil but the values it extols naturally move people towards that side of the spectrum:

1-Survival of the fittest:
It encourages those with power to use every means at their disposal to crush anyone who could ever challenge them and usurp their position. The "Glass ceiling" exists because those with power and influence are free to pass it on to their descendants or support, and empower, whoever they choose. The Du Couteaus are a fine example of this.

2-"The ends justify the means":
Are you really saying that following the 'rules of war' makes for a conflict no less ugly than one with deregulated chemical warfare and outright terrorism? Were the Noxians "Respecting" the Ionians by butchering their civilian population, rather than taking prisoners?

It's a "cheap and disrespectful" tactic because it shows that you're too afraid to face your enemy in a fair fight. You don't have the will, or self-belief, to meet the enemy on the field of battle and let tactics, and strength of arm, decide the better.

3-"In Noxus, only the strong survive". How does crippling your enemy and acting in clear fear of their power prove your strength?

4-Honour:
Of course they gave Ionia a rematch: A victory would have given them a legitimate say in the future of the state.

They couldn't go back on their word in the aftermath because that would have incurred the wrath of the League and, more or less, brought about a new Rune War. Noxus wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.
1 - Survival of the fittest - your example on the Du Coteau is just silly, the general is regarded as one of the most (if not the most) talented warriors and general of Noxus and katarina as a Elite member, not because of her name but for what she accomplished.
She can match (lorewise) the very best of demacia and you state that she is at the top for her name??? really?

Talon lived on the streets, a nobody much like Swain, one is an elite assasin the other is the ruler of Noxus, you point is void. I f both man lived on demacia they would be nothing more than farmers, because theyīre not cousins of Garen.

2 - War is uggly and chaotic, thereīs no such thing as rules in war. By doing anything you can do to defeat your opponent youīre admiting his might, assuming at the same time that without these measures a defeat can happen.

3 - If youīre good enough to bring an opponent to his knees, you should stand above him.

4 - They didnīt have to allow a rematch, the League without Noxus input wouldnīt allow a rematch, because it was in the stipulation a reign of 15 (not sure about the number) years over Ionia, they could have wait the remaning years and then fight when they had to.


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Ask Talon

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05-18-2012

Swain broke his leg and walked it off.


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ThorRush

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05-18-2012

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Originally Posted by http://na.leagueoflegends.com/story/issue-9-10-november-20-cle
We respect those who meet us on the battlefield too much to treat them like children or invalids. If you oppose Noxian forces, you are considered an equal opponent, and granted no quarter, as such is the highest insult amongst true warriors.
Noxus still has laws. There are just some Noxians who would break them.

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Swain broke his leg and walked it off.
I see what you did there


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Ask Talon

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05-18-2012

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I see what you did there
No you didn't.


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