Best Mid?

Vladimir 89 32.72%
Mordekaiser 39 14.34%
Katarina 36 13.24%
Other (please specify and why) 108 39.71%
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Thanorodd

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08-15-2010

The champion you want in mid is not necessarily the one with infinite harassment capabilities and laning longevity.

Believe it or not, both of those characteristics are just as imperative in the side lanes, if not moreso. In a side lane, you have a partner (unless you have a jungler) and thus your infinite harassment can be put to better use, either denying the other laners of EXP and gold through zone control (because there's a lot more room for zone control in the side lanes) or scoring kills.

The champion you want (need) in mid is the one who benefits the most from the level advantage over the enemy team, and the unhindered ability to farm. One whose ult is very useful to the rest of your team, and will provide ganking opportunities. A champion who excels in the mid-to-late game is who you want in mid. This usually translates to a carry.

Your mid champion is inevitably going to level faster and get more gold than the side lanes because they don't have to share the creep kills. You want an item-dependent mid-game allstar in that middle lane, so that they will hit 6 first, they will be farming all the gold they need, and they will be able to immediately turn and start ganking other lanes with their level advantage and carrying abilities. Annie, Anivia, Kat, Ezreal, Ashe and Tristana (in no particular order) fall into this category, and some others. Vladimir and Mordekaiser are the placeholder champions who should only take mid if no more prudent choice is available.

Unfortunately, there is a grand misconception that early-game lane presence translates to a good mid lane champion. In reality, placing Morde or Vlad in mid is a waste. Even Heimer is a bit of a waste, because Heimer's turrets do the same in a side lane as they do in mid, and Heimer can push anywhere. Heimer, however, cannot gank.

The mid champion needs to be a carry who can gank. Period. On your list, Kat > Vlad > Morde. Among all champions, Kat is the only wise mid choice of the three you listed.


TL;DR - Mid solo shouldn't be wasted on a champion whose purpose is to counter other champion(s) in the early game. Put your carry in mid (no, Morde is not a carry) and watch them shine in mid-game. Let Morde and Vlad use their harassment on the side lanes and score kills with the team. That's what they're good for. Leave mid for Annie, Anivia, Tristana and Ashe.


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Aquifn

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08-15-2010

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Originally Posted by Thanorodd View Post
The champion you want in mid is not necessarily the one with infinite harassment capabilities and laning longevity.

Believe it or not, both of those characteristics are just as imperative in the side lanes, if not moreso. In a side lane, you have a partner (unless you have a jungler) and thus your infinite harassment can be put to better use, either denying the other laners of EXP and gold through zone control (because there's a lot more room for zone control in the side lanes) or scoring kills.

The champion you want (need) in mid is the one who benefits the most from the level advantage over the enemy team, and the unhindered ability to farm. One whose ult is very useful to the rest of your team, and will provide ganking opportunities. A champion who excels in the mid-to-late game is who you want in mid. This usually translates to a carry.

Your mid champion is inevitably going to level faster and get more gold than the side lanes because they don't have to share the creep kills. You want an item-dependent mid-game allstar in that middle lane, so that they will hit 6 first, they will be farming all the gold they need, and they will be able to immediately turn and start ganking other lanes with their level advantage and carrying abilities. Annie, Anivia, Kat, Ezreal, Ashe and Tristana (in no particular order) fall into this category, and some others. Vladimir and Mordekaiser are the placeholder champions who should only take mid if no more prudent choice is available.

Unfortunately, there is a grand misconception that early-game lane presence translates to a good mid lane champion. In reality, placing Morde or Vlad in mid is a waste. Even Heimer is a bit of a waste, because Heimer's turrets do the same in a side lane as they do in mid, and Heimer can push anywhere. Heimer, however, cannot gank.

The mid champion needs to be a carry who can gank. Period. On your list, Kat > Vlad > Morde. Among all champions, Kat is the only wise mid choice of the three you listed.


TL;DR - Mid solo shouldn't be wasted on a champion whose purpose is to counter other champion(s) in the early game. Put your carry in mid (no, Morde is not a carry) and watch them shine in mid-game. Let Morde and Vlad use their harassment on the side lanes and score kills with the team. That's what they're good for. Leave mid for Annie, Anivia, Tristana and Ashe.
Morgana - able to wipe out entire teams with a good head start. Also able to keep numerous teammates alive very effectively.

Anivia - Far scarier then Kat when given mid and played by a equally skilled player.


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interwebhobo

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08-15-2010

You say that, but these champions, aside from Morde, can gank pretty well. Also, by having this infinite harassing capability, you essentially completely shut down the other team's mid, making them suffer the entire match. This is the exact person you were just describing, the one who will be most valuable to your team farmed and ready for ganking. By shutting them down the entire beginning game, you give them a huge hit to their mid game, which is generally when mids shine the most.

Think about Annie. She thrives on getting the first kill in mid and then roaming off to gank. If someone like Vlad or Kat is mid, she will be out-harassed by a mile, and will probably be dead before 6! Even if she wasn't, she wouldn't be able to kill vlad/Kat/even Mord because they are too tanky and can survive past her burst at 6.


What you are describing is the old mid. We are having a new wave of mids!


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Yogtheterrible

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08-15-2010

I've never been beat in mid while playing vlad except by another vlad.


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Toros

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08-15-2010

deny plank will piss you off in mid, and arguably will help shut down the enemy mid harder than most other champs.


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Oug

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08-15-2010

Anivia is a good mid only when in the hands of a competent player. Her slow skill shot/stun and combos can lead to bad players going 'pro anivia pro.' And that's not to mention that she is THE best counter to heimerdinger (long range and aoe ult)

Morgana is an excellent mid as well since she is very good for setting up side ganks. Her long range snare can surprise enemies from the river bushes, allowing the people in that lane to get in close. Her ability to push a lane is second to none.

I am partial to Katarina and feel as if she is one of the absolute strongest mids. She has great ganking ability and her BB is a great harass when used properly. CC makes Kat sad, but unless you are playing with truly pro players, they will not save all of their CC for 1/2 way through the team fight when you shunpo in and DL. Also, Katarina has the exceedingly useful ability to shunpo away when snared, so she isn't a bad counter to Morgana, since Morgana should never get off her full combo. Katarina's ability to use shunpo to avoid skill shots while also being a good harass combo with BB gives her a top rating. NOTE: I would not recommend AP Kat mid, however, since prioritizing Shunpo over BB absolutely kills her harass! If you wanted to go AP, you would still need to max BB first (or get it to at least level 3-4).

Ezreal is a good mid, but only if the person playing him has him down pat. I've played against good Ezreals in the mid, and they are very scary... never missing a skill shot and pulling off crazy-damage combos. However, the times that I have tried have been laughable because I am not used to his combo nor skill shots.

Ashe is a reluctant mid. She goes mid only when there is no better candidate, but there are a LOT of better candidates... She just doesn't do enough damage to be threatening.

Vladamir the infinite-harass machine. qqqqqqq all day, but even then, it is really only a harass. His lack of staying power in a fight means that sanguine pool is used every time he engages in a 1v1 fight with the enemy mid. Vlad can't push the lane hard, but he can harass and be ungankable more than any other mid (though Morgana is just about as ungankable to be honest...).

Tristana is a fair choice, but nothing crazy. Her short-medium range during the laning phase hurts her a lot.


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Ansre

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08-15-2010

None of those qualify.

The answer is Ezreal, or maybe a really pro Anivia.


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Ember Blades

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08-15-2010

Twisted Fate. Morde doesn't even feel like he's there if up against a really good TF player.


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Oug

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08-15-2010

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Morgana - able to wipe out entire teams with a good head start. Also able to keep numerous teammates alive very effectively.

Anivia - Far scarier then Kat when given mid and played by a equally skilled player.
I have to disagree with you on the Anivia being "Far scarier" than Kat mid. Katarina should be able to avoid *most* of Anivia's Skill Shots/Combos, while Anivia is just too squishy to take the BB/Shunpo harassment. And then, once Anivia is at 1/2 health, Kat can shunpo/BB/DL and the bird will die.

If you are arguing that Anivia is scarier after the laning phase, then I can only argue that it is situational. If the enemy has a lot of CC, then Anivia would definitely rule, since she has a strong combo. If the enemy has only a few CC (or only/mainly slow and snare), then Katarina will shine.

Katarina does need a decent team to be fully utilized, however. Characters with stuns/taunted/fear are doubly powerful due to Kat's ult, and anyone with area of effect slow/stun/taunted also mean that Kat should be able to get off her full ultimate. Anivia doesn't really have the problem of enemies escaping from her combo/damage (at least not to the same degree).


Additional At above:
TF is a decent mid, but is just too UP to be truly useful. Against Morde, he is good, but he sucks against even Ashe due to the insane range comparison. He is basically the worst of any ranged dps as far as the laning phase goes (at least sivir gets some extended range with her bounce, while TF HAS to get in close to harass).


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interwebhobo

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I have to disagree with you on the Anivia being "Far scarier" than Kat mid. Katarina should be able to avoid *most* of Anivia's Skill Shots/Combos, while Anivia is just too squishy to take the BB/Shunpo harassment. And then, once Anivia is at 1/2 health, Kat can shunpo/BB/DL and the bird will die.

If you are arguing that Anivia is scarier after the laning phase, then I can only argue that it is situational. If the enemy has a lot of CC, then Anivia would definitely rule, since she has a strong combo. If the enemy has only a few CC (or only/mainly slow and snare), then Katarina will shine.

Katarina does need a decent team to be fully utilized, however. Characters with stuns/taunted/fear are doubly powerful due to Kat's ult, and anyone with area of effect slow/stun/taunted also mean that Kat should be able to get off her full ultimate. Anivia doesn't really have the problem of enemies escaping from her combo/damage (at least not to the same degree).

The only thing I have to say about Kats vs Anivias mid is that a Kat that went mid is almost always going to be super aggressive. If anivia goes mid, chances are she'll be aggressive as kat, but probably not as much, and there isn't as high of a chance as getting an aggressive anivia as an aggressive kat.

TL;DR - If I see a kat mid, I already know it's going to completely suck balls. If I see Anivia mid, I have some hope of maintaining my tower/life.


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