Diana wtf

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Elsantrich

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08-11-2012

Hey RIOT, can we do something about Diana? She has way too much dammage for how inherently tanky she is. One of those two things needs to get nerfed and soon.


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AlphariusRising

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08-11-2012

Oh look, it's this thread again.

http://www.lolking.net/champions/dia...mal#statistics

53% win rate. While technically a tiny bit more powerful than the 50% ideal, many, many champs have comparable, or even higher win rates, but nobody's QQing about them.

You're only crying about Diana because she's an assassin and killed you from like 80% health. Assassins do that. Imagine if Leblanc of Veigar were released today.
"Omg Veigar so OP he can just stun you and combo you from 90% to 0% in like 2 seconds"
"Omg Leblanc can just jump on the ad carry, take them from 100% to nothing, and teleport away! One of those two things needs to get nerfed and soon."

If you think she's so preposterously OP, you should queue dodge next time you see an amumu, fiddlesticks, or Janna on the enemy team, because their win rates are nearly identical, except Amumu, who is higher.


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Elsantrich

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08-11-2012

Ok first off, the win rate isn't going to matter just yet due to how popular the champ is and how many people are playing the champ badly. Secondly, my issue isn't with how much damage she does it's the fact that a full burst from most ap mids can only knock out half of her health. Veigar has to earn his damage through farming his Q. And both LB and Veigar are extremely squishee to counter act the damage.

The problem is that she can eat damage like a bruiser while still having assassin level damage. That's what makes it unbalanced.


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Jayfeather

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08-11-2012

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Ok first off, the win rate isn't going to matter just yet due to how popular the champ is and how many people are playing the champ badly. Secondly, my issue isn't with how much damage she does it's the fact that a full burst from most ap mids can only knock out half of her health. Veigar has to earn his damage through farming his Q. And both LB and Veigar are extremely squishee to counter act the damage.

The problem is that she can eat damage like a bruiser while still having assassin level damage. That's what makes it unbalanced.
She has to sacrifice something. If she's not full tanky she won't survive a leblanc or veigar burst. If she's not full damage she won't be killing a leblanc too easily. There are other champions that can do what she does as well or better. Others that do worse.


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AlphariusRising

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08-11-2012

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The problem is that she can eat damage like a bruiser while still having assassin level damage. That's what makes it unbalanced.
Except that's completely and utterly wrong. Her shield is mediocre at best, she has almost no damage if she misses her Q, and one of her abilities doesn't even do do damage.

Furthermore, win rate does, in fact, matter, it matters quite a lot, because for everyone that doesn't know the perfect way to play her, there's 5 people on the enemy team that don't know the perfect way to counter play her.

So far LoLking has tracked 30 thousand ranked games that include her, and over 60 thousand normals. Her Ranked Win rate was 50% on the first day, and 53% for the next two. That's 20 thousand games, enough to have as accurate a statistical sample as you could expect. Her normals win rate started at 52% and ended at 53%.

If your hypothesis was correct, we could look at another champ who everyone agreed was OP, and see them start low for several days, but rise every day.

Zyra, who everyone agrees was OP, started ranked wins at 54% win rate, shot up to 58% on her second day, and stayed there, fluctuating about 1-2%. After her recent nerf, she went down to 52%, and is now at 53%. Your hypothesis does not hold true. Also of note, post-nerf Zyra is apparently as strong as Diana.


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Natneyi

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08-11-2012

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You're only crying about Diana because she's an assassin and killed you from like 80% health. Assassins do that. Imagine if Leblanc of Veigar were released today.
"Omg Veigar so OP he can just stun you and combo you from 90% to 0% in like 2 seconds"
"Omg Leblanc can just jump on the ad carry, take them from 100% to nothing, and teleport away! One of those two things needs to get nerfed and soon."
No, the crying is because she can kill someone almost instantaneously while using only survivability items. Or she can build pure damage items and still be ridiculously tanky. We expect assassins to do insane amounts of damage, but have you ever caught a shaco while he was backing or a LeBlanc with her spells on cooldown? They melt.


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AGTT Hypnotoad

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08-11-2012

protip brah. pick kassadin, laugh when she does anything


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thepantsparty

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08-11-2012

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one of her abilities doesn't even do do damage.
Her E doesn't deal damage, but I can't think of many other passives that add as much damage as hers does.


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Flagrock

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08-11-2012

Diana is strong because people haven't learned how to counter her. She is at the level of damage Darius is. If he's dmg he'll easily go down, or if he's tank his dmg is all about people being low. Stop complaining she's strong but if you shut her down she won't get the items needed.


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08-11-2012

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No, the crying is because she can kill someone almost instantaneously while using only survivability items. Or she can build pure damage items and still be ridiculously tanky. We expect assassins to do insane amounts of damage, but have you ever caught a shaco while he was backing or a LeBlanc with her spells on cooldown? They melt.
I've never seen someone build only survivability items on diana. Any proof to validate your claims