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Should religious institutions pay for their employee's contraception policies?

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Dobagoh

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02-21-2012

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Their children born with defects or requiring major surgery die. Diabetes, hypo/hyper-thyroidism all die very early, because amish prayers don't actually work.

That's like asking, how did mankind ever live without medicine? The answer usually is "not well" or "for a shorter period of time". Medicine is a need. Insurance is the only way to get it proper care in america, and that necessitates it's purchase. It's not just a want, or a luxury for the rich.


Surprising fact: most people don't need insurance. In fact, healthy people don't even need physical checkups, period. The only thing people actually need to live healthy lives is having a dental checkup, and eye appointments if needed. everything else, unless you got the short end of the genetic stick, is unnecessary.


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Powerstoned

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02-21-2012

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Surprising fact: most people don't need insurance. In fact, healthy people don't even need physical checkups, period. The only thing people actually need to live healthy lives is having a dental checkup, and eye appointments if needed. everything else, unless you got the short end of the genetic stick, is unnecessary.


If healthy people simply didn't get insurance, monthly premiums for those that do would be ungodly expensive. The insurance companies wouldn't survive, and we'd finally be forced into "socialized medicine". What would you do if you got into a car accident? What happens when you get cancer? Maybe just let everyone die?


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Shambolaz

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02-21-2012

I think they absolutely should.

Remember that Catholic hospitals, schools, universities, ect. are not all staffed/visited by the devout. For instance, only about half of students at most Catholic universities are Catholic. Why should they be denied contraception through the institution's health policy? Why should nonreligious employees of a Catholic hospital be denied contraception because of the views of their employer? Likewise, the vast majority of Catholic women themselves use the pill, regardless of Papal edict.

Nobody is being forced to take contraception against their will. This is an expansion of freedom, not a contraction. I don't mean to single out Catholicism or anything, just using this as an example in light of the current political brouhaha.


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Dobagoh

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02-21-2012

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If healthy people simply didn't get insurance, monthly premiums for those that do would be ungodly expensive. The insurance companies wouldn't survive, and we'd finally be forced into "socialized medicine". What would you do if you got into a car accident? What happens when you get cancer? Maybe just let everyone die?


So? You know why medical costs are skyrocketing? because insurance basically acts as inflation for it.


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Powerstoned

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02-21-2012

^good troll.


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Flodoard

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02-21-2012

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Female contraception coverage is in even your most basic insurance policies, so it's not like a church is forced to choose a super expensive plan for their employees(they don't have to provide insurance anyway).

But religious institutions are going out of their way to ask insurance companies to remove a very basic part of their policy for sometimes no actual cost reduction on themselves or their employee, simply because they are trying to spread their personal agenda to their employees. A lot of people consider themselves both christian and able to use birth control, right?

Churches happily pays for single men to get Viagra, but won't pay for married women to obtain birthcontrol. & Over 52% of even catholic women admit to taking birth control in one form or another in their lifetime, so why the hypocracy?

(It seriously sucks this country forces you to go through your employer for medical insurance.)

as to your ultimate question idk.
but for information, the catholic church has stressed that *** should be for procreation. . . not necessarily for your enjoyment. hence offering viagra is ok, but birth control of any kind (like condoms) is completely out of the question


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Powerstoned

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02-21-2012

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as to your ultimate question idk.
but for information, the catholic church has stressed that *** should be for procreation. . . not necessarily for your enjoyment. hence offering viagra is ok, but birth control of any kind (like condoms) is completely out of the question


again, talking about the church paying for viagra prescriptions for single, unmarried men. Not procreation, but simply extra-martial se.x


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Dobagoh

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02-21-2012

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as to your ultimate question idk.
but for information, the catholic church has stressed that *** should be for procreation. . . not necessarily for your enjoyment. hence offering viagra is ok, but birth control of any kind (like condoms) is completely out of the question

Most men who use viagra are screwing their post-menopausal wife. They aren't having *** for procreation.


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Flodoard

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02-21-2012

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again, talking about the church paying for viagra prescriptions for single, unmarried men. Not procreation, but simply extra-martial se.x

you really probably do have a point, but still for more information (and don't take this as me defending them, cause quite frankly the church annoys me very much on these issues) it could be willing ignorance. until the investiture conflict of the 13th century, marriage was not seen as a sacrament, which means that the church had nothing to do with marriage at all. This is why so many overtly religious men (such as Charlemagne) had many many concubines before hand
(we all know it was for their pleasure, but also it did serve political needs too.)


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Elan Tedronai

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02-22-2012

I wonder how many people have the wherewithal to support an entity's right to commit a certain action without agreeing with the action itself. So far, most people in this thread have held the opinion that since they don't agree with the action then they shouldn't have the right to do the action. I don't support atheism in any shape or form but I strongly believe in everyone's right to choose to be an atheist.

I don't agree with churches refusing to support birth control (the bible doesn't condemn birth control). However, since employers are not required to provide health insurance and when they do they have the option of choosing what level of insurance to provide then the state doesn't can't really demand they provide birth control, can they? The state is essentially forcing the church to buy something it doesn't want to buy while not buying it does no harm to anyone.