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Should religious institutions pay for their employee's contraception policies?

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Powerstoned

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02-21-2012

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Viagra isn't birth control, the reasons religious institutions oppose birth control have nothing to do with Viagra, so what the **** are you talking about? As far as what Catholic women do, I'm sure well over 52% of them admit to lying in one form or another in their lifetime also, and the Catholic Church is against lying. Is that hypocrisy too?


Single men obtaining Viagra, for the sole purpose of premartial se.x, is against the same religious ideals as those against any contraception. They are paying for those unmarried men to sin and go directly against their employers religious ideals, so is it just because men make the rules for these churches?

There are medical needs like ovarian cyct prevention with female contraception to argue, but no other medical needs for viagra than getting a hard on.


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Powerstoned

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02-21-2012

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Even if the employer is a religious institution? I would think 'forcing their religious ideals' onto you would sort of come with the territory if you agree to work for them. For example, if I got hired to work as a janitor in a synagogue, I wouldn't be all outraged if they told me I wasn't allowed to eat bacon on my lunch while I was in their holy building. That only seems natural.


What if you work for a church where the only thing you disagree with is their stance on biracial marriages, should you legally be allowed to be fired if you married an asian woman? The difference again is being employed by, not just a member of that private club, where you can be kicked out for whatever reason.


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HomelessToilet

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02-21-2012

I think the good guys win this arguement.


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HomelessToilet

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02-21-2012

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What if you work for a church where the only thing you disagree with is their stance on biracial marriages, should you legally be allowed to be fired if you married an asian woman? The difference again is being employed by, not just a member of that private club, where you can be kicked out for whatever reason.


Also, who's getting fired? Where are you going with this? No Catholic, or religious institution are kicking out their members or employees for disagreeing with their faith..lol

Its the point of the Organization ITSELF on imposing things they themselves disagree with.


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standin

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02-21-2012

The people in this topic...wow.


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HomelessToilet

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02-21-2012

What about the people in this topic?


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Uccisore

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02-21-2012

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Powerstoned:
What if you work for a church where the only thing you disagree with is their stance on biracial marriages, should you legally be allowed to be fired if you married an asian woman? The difference again is being employed by, not just a member of that private club, where you can be kicked out for whatever reason.


Legally? I don't know if they can fire you or not. I guess morally, my opinion is that I would totally understand if they didn't want me bringing my asian wife into their church*, but what I do at home and off the clock should have nothing to do with anything. Now, if I was a SPOKESMAN of the Church and not just like, a janitor or whatever, then it makes total sense to me that they would fire me for not maintaining their ideals in my public and private life. Politicians get 'forced to resign' all the time for doing unethical things that aren't technically illegal. What's the difference if a Church does the same thing?

For some reason, the building makes a difference to me too. Like, if I work in some office building somewhere doing accounting, but technically my employer is a church, that's one thing. But if I'm actually walking around in their holy places as a part of my job, that's another thing.

* Not saying I would agree with them, hell no. Just saying, I can understand religious people wanting their views obeyed in their own temple/church places.


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Uccisore

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02-21-2012

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Single men obtaining Viagra, for the sole purpose of premartial se.x, is against the same religious ideals as those against any contraception. .


Yeah, that is weird. And honestly, I bet there are plenty of Catholic Churches that already provide insurance that covers birth control. The issue here is that the Government is saying they HAVE TO, that's where it gets legally/morally sticky. If the Government was saying they HAVE TO provide Viagra, I bet you'd see a lot of opposition to that, too.


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gun fu panda

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02-21-2012

I have to pay for my nation to go to wars I don't believe in. I think Catholics can get over paying for contraception as part of their insurance plan for their employees. No one's forcing them to take it, which is the only way this would violate First Amendment rights.


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Uccisore

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02-21-2012

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I have to pay for my nation to go to wars I don't believe in. I think Catholics can get over paying for contraception as part of their insurance plan for their employees. No one's forcing them to take it.


See, the rules are defined by the Constitution, not some bull**** you made up. You having to pay for a war, and a Church having to pay for birth control aren't even slightly comparable.