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Should religious institutions pay for their employee's contraception policies?

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Powerstoned

Member

02-21-2012

Female contraception coverage is in even your most basic insurance policies, so it's not like a church is forced to choose a super expensive plan for their employees(they don't have to provide insurance anyway).

But religious institutions are going out of their way to ask insurance companies to remove a very basic part of their policy for sometimes no actual cost reduction on themselves or their employee, simply because they are trying to spread their personal agenda to their employees. A lot of people consider themselves both christian and able to use birth control, right?

Churches happily pays for single men to get Viagra, but won't pay for married women to obtain birthcontrol. & Over 52% of even catholic women admit to taking birth control in one form or another in their lifetime, so why the hypocracy?

(It seriously sucks this country forces you to go through your employer for medical insurance.)


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HomelessToilet

Member

02-21-2012

All the percentages you spew out mean jack **** if only 1 person is forced to pay for contraception against their will in a religious institution. There is no hypocracy, even if 99% percent of Christians thought it was okay to use birth control, the 1% would win the arguement. FAITH IS NOT ABOUT A POPULAR VOTE IN AMERICA. This is about the 1st amendment, not about percentages of christians who think its okay to use birth control. Why can't Democrats get that through their thick skull...

Btw, faith is not a personal agenda. Maybe you forgot what America is all about. You're just bitter because the Republicans actually caught the Dems in a serious breach of the US Constitution, and they're allllllllllll friggin trying to play the game of...."oh this many people think its okay!!" or "This Catholic hospital says its ok" IT DOESNT MATTER.

Nobody is stopping you from moving to Canada where everyone is middle class and average and pays 6 bucks for a gallon of milk, 50 bucks for a case of beer, and of course your beloved "free" healthcare that takes 6 months to get into the doctors office.


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Lagfromhell

Senior Member

02-21-2012

You don't have to go through your employer for medical insurance, but it is the easiest way to get approved for medical insurance (and it's usually not as costly).

I personally think the employers should allow the employees to choose. It's up to each person to define how closely they choose to follow their faith, it just doesn't seem right when people are forcing their religious ideals onto others.


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Powerstoned

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02-21-2012

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HomelessToilet:
All the percentages you spew out mean jack **** if only 1 person is forced to pay for contraception against their will in a religious institution. This is about the 1st amendment, not about percentages of christians who think its okay to use birth control. Why can't Democrats get that through their thick skull...

Btw, faith is not a personal agenda. Maybe you forgot what America is all about, and need to get kicked in the ass a couple times.


We're all forced to pay for a lot of things.
Those same people are forced to pay for single men to get viagra, which would go against their religious ideals, but they don't care?
A lot of those same people are forced to pay for a war they don't religiously agree with either.

Even those people that choose not to pay for the insurance policy providing coverage, they will be forced to pay for it if a woman goes to planned parenthood for it because her insurance doesn't carry it. If you want to be a little club and tell your members they should uphold certain ideals fine, but if you want to be an employer in this country, there are some rules you have to follow.


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Powerstoned

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02-21-2012

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Lagfromhell:
You don't have to go through your employer for medical insurance


In alot of states you still do.


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Lagfromhell

Senior Member

02-21-2012

Uh, why is supporting Viagra against their ideology when they're for procreation? They're against abortions, which is adjacent to contraception.

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Powerstoned:
In alot of states you still do.


Not trying to nitpick, but even if there are exceptions, your opinion at the end of the post isn't necessarily correct when you're using a broad statement that can easily be disproven.


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Powerstoned

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02-21-2012

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Lagfromhell:
Uh, why is supporting Viagra against their ideology when they're for procreation? They're against abortions, which is adjacent to contraception.


Again, Viagra for single, unmarried men.


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sammich kek

Senior Member

02-21-2012

I know you have several opportunities to debate this already happening discussion today on many other websites, so tell me, why did you bring it here to discuss with the lowest common denominator?


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Uccisore

Senior Member

02-21-2012

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Powerstoned:

Churches happily pays for single men to get Viagra, but won't pay for married women to obtain birthcontrol. & Over 52% of even catholic women admit to taking birth control in one form or another in their lifetime, so why the hypocracy?

(It seriously sucks this country forces you to go through your employer for medical insurance.)


Viagra isn't birth control, the reasons religious institutions oppose birth control have nothing to do with Viagra, so what the **** are you talking about? As far as what Catholic women do, I'm sure well over 52% of them admit to lying in one form or another in their lifetime also, and the Catholic Church is against lying. Is that hypocrisy too?


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Uccisore

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02-21-2012

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Lagfromhell:

I personally think the employers should allow the employees to choose. It's up to each person to define how closely they choose to follow their faith, it just doesn't seem right when people are forcing their religious ideals onto others.


Even if the employer is a religious institution? I would think 'forcing their religious ideals' onto you would sort of come with the territory if you agree to work for them. For example, if I got hired to work as a janitor in a synagogue, I wouldn't be all outraged if they told me I wasn't allowed to eat bacon on my lunch while I was in their holy building. That only seems natural.