Sejuani Patch Notes

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bordboy7

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01-19-2012

Take that skarner!


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01-20-2012

I can't like my own post? wtf!


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FraggingBard

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01-20-2012

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Originally Posted by Terchio View Post
"trist just don't like her abilities and ashe well isn't that viable anymore.." pretty accurately says that something needed done to even the field a bit.
That isn't Vaynes fault, that's because Riot decided to go for a fast paced game. There's no denying, minions do little damage (relatively speaking, they can do a heap at level 1 or in Dom), towers can be specced against. Compared to DotA this is a faster and more forgiving game. One reason they make it faster is by making mobility based champions. Think Ezreal or Le Blanc. Le Blanc especially, she can W, R, Flash for a triple blink. Kass is the definition of a mobile champion. Someone like Ashe who slows people down isn't all that powerful when movespeed is removed from the equation.

Slow Ezreal he'll just blink out then Q you through a wall. Le Blanc will do the same thing. If you go through the list of champions you'll see that most champions have an escape ability which serves as a hard counter to Ashe. To be good at this game you counter pick, champions, items, ability point buys. You win by countering the champion, not necessarily just by being better than them. Assuming two players of equal playing skill, a better counter will win. But when every champion is a hard counter to Ashe/a movement debuff based character, then they're just not viable. When those champions (like Ashe) also don't have an escape ability then you see why they're not really an ideal champion to play. I love Ashe, I think she sucks.

Vayne and Graves both have movement based abilities so they will more easily defeat Ashe. Tristana can be good, but to be honest I prefer to use her as a tower killer for which she is very good at. Her movement ability isn't really all that fun (high CD, pause before jump) and she's easily countered by armor (Thornmail, Frozen Heart, Randuin's). Because her movement ability is harder to use than say Ez she's.. Well like Ashe I wouldn't say she's just completely out of the question, but I would go so far as to say that the player skill required in order to be successful with her is a lot higher than someone like Caitlyn. Cait has a movement ability which is on a reasonable CD, good for getting away or pursuing. She has skillshots which are always nice since they go through walls so she isn't limited to just auto attacking and her ult is a very nice anti TheyHave1HPButICan'tChase skill. Why would you play Ashe over Cait when you can buy a Frozen Mallet and be just as good? Admittedly you lose out on a cross map ult, but those are nerfed so hard... Riot thinks cross map ults are OP so they tone them down to compensate, her ult is fun but not that fun. It's cool to take out a champion from across the map but it's about as hard as jumping off a balcony in cs_assault and hs'ing two people with a deagle before you hit the ground. Do-able, but you're going to spend so much time practising that you'll be specialised which is useless for first point.

Countering. You specialise, you're not as good with other champions, you're not as good at countering. Someone picks a counter to your champion then your specialisation is wasted.

tl;dr

The playing field has been uneven for a while and nerfing the champions who can keep up in that field by now isn't the way to fix it. Too far gone for that, they'd be better off buffing/reworking (I hate that word and idea but sometimes :S) the champions who are unsuitable for a fast paced game. In doing so they'd make Dom a lot more even so we'd see more than the usual fifteen champions playing in it, which may even entice them into making it ranked and give it a tourney place.


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Doctor Pedobear

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01-20-2012

so back then you guys listened to us and noted about skarner having mana problems so you dropped it down to 15 at all levels. Now you decided that he doesnt have any mana problems and bumped it back up to ALMOST exactly what it was before? Soo..... whats the reasoning behind it? whats goin to happen about his mana issue?


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FraggingBard

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01-20-2012

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Originally Posted by Fenrisolwolf View Post
Vayne has some nice nerfs but she still needs that Silver Bolts nerf! through some simple math and assuming the average Vayne has 1.5 attack speed (that is 1.5 attacks per second) with Silver Bolts maxed, she can kill a champion in 20 seconds from Silver Bolts alone (2600 TRUE damage)
Your entire post is flawed, but I'll pick this one apart. Actually no I won't. Buy LB, learn to WQRW. Your build in Dom is Prospectors - Boots - Upgrade to Sorc Boots - Haunting Guise - Hat - X. X can be a few things.

Her Q-R can kill a champion, W initially means she can jump next to a tower, damage them, QR nuke them, then W again to go back to where she was before the jump. She is one of the most powerful nukers in the game. Fragile, but powerful. Damage wise is more than 2600. 2600 is very low for 20 seconds, that's 260 per second. If you can't output double that with Yi, Xin, Trynd, Jax, Cait, then you're still in bot games on Beginner and struggling to finish


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FraggingBard

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01-20-2012

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Originally Posted by Ions03 View Post
where was the shen buff?
Shen? Buffed? So he can flip out and kill people?
Ahahahahahahaha.

Wrong game


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Originally Posted by Scheiner View Post
but no improvent on the inside game models
Hey, I spent real money on some of those skins, if Riot "improves" the models and skins.. Think I wrote a post to that effect earlier, what's the point of having Yellow Jacket Shen if he doesn't look like Scorpion?

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Originally Posted by facetious View Post
The smallest of all the notes, pushed all the way to the bottom, makes Shyvana a less viable jungler. I can no longer use my E to help me catch people. -_-
Grab a Rylai's, HP, AP, a slow on spell damage. It's the Frozen Mallet for spellcasters.

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Originally Posted by yalocay View Post
you didn't need to remove sword of the divine entirely, perhaps just remove its unique and just have the extra attack speed?
That was suggested repeatedly before it was removed. Most people were buying it for the attack speed since it was the highest going and not for the Hit This To Kill Jax button.

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Originally Posted by RaG nuh RocK View Post
Now Jax is just another random bad melee guy. What the hell Riot??
If anything he's slightly stronger. Can always grab a CDR item if you really need that ability on a shorter CDR.

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Originally Posted by GSROCKS View Post
BALANCED GAME cos they LISTEN TO THE PROS.
Riot would do the same but their choices are an LB who never uses W, a Skarner who pulls a Ram into the middle of his half hp group who are leaving because it's a 4v5, a Cass who buys a whole heap of Doran's then doesn't trade them for a Rylai's, a.. Well did you see the live stream last night? The tourney isn't going to people who are good, simply people who don't suck quite as hard.


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Lyrdian

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01-20-2012

Ok. So after playing a couple games i STILL have issues with changes that were made.

Volibear = still the most tanky non tank building mofo i have ever seen, other than my next champion.
Shyvanna = way to **** naturally tanky.shouldn't be able to tower dive a chogath at lvl 3, get popped up and silenced but still kill cho'gath AND live.
Sejuani = Fun champ, but she is extremely overpowered in the slow department
blitz = all of his abilities are CC or help him CC.
Skarner =
Dunno wtf this was about but i built a offtank/ap cho yesterday and had my *** kicked by a skarmer who had NO damage. he had a thornmail, a force of nature and merc treads. i had a rod of ages, frozen heart, boots of swiftness and a negatron cloak with all my runes being magic pen that can be. 2 secpnds later even after feasting himt o try to chase him away he was recalling while i lay in a puddle of my own blood, not being able to get from the racecar scoprion with a perma slow.


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playboy1988

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01-20-2012

I am very, very disappointed in RIOT with this patch......very disappointed....


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playboy1988

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01-20-2012

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Originally Posted by FraggingBard View Post
tl;dr

The playing field has been uneven for a while and nerfing the champions who can keep up in that field by now isn't the way to fix it. Too far gone for that, they'd be better off buffing/reworking (I hate that word and idea but sometimes :S) the champions who are unsuitable for a fast paced game. In doing so they'd make Dom a lot more even so we'd see more than the usual fifteen champions playing in it, which may even entice them into making it ranked and give it a tourney place.

completely agreed...and still very very disappointed with this last patch, instead of nerfing all the champs(pretty drastically) like you did. I feel it would have been a much better choice buffing some of the champs who need it to make the game in my eyes, and I'm sure others, a much more playable, balanced, and fun exciting game. I am sure that you guys will get it together someday but I feel very strongly this last patch was a horrible step in the wrong direction. If there are champs who are weak in the game. Why don't you just get rid of them, or more reasonably just buff them to par instead of hurting all the other balanced champs. I remember when I started this game i would play Shaco AP build, and even though he really only had his two shiv throw for his basic damage output, i love the fact that i could kill people up to a minute and a half later even while I'm dead with Jitb. I remember thinking how awesome this game was because of champs like that that were balanced but i really didn't have much fun playing the weaker champs(even tho now that i have more skill they are not as weak to me just a noob thought at the time). And if all the champs were that weak, which is going to happen if you keep nerfing balanced champs, I would have never kept playing this game. My point being. This game really grabbed my attention because of champs like Shaco and Jax. And I feel this game is getting more and more directed to the AWSOME SUPER experienced players, who are not going to be around forever. If you cant keep getting new players to play this game.....eventually this game will fade away.This is entirely my opinion but I am just trying to help riot. Also, You have so many new players playing dominion and allot of experienced people are saying they are going to quit unless dom. gets ranked status, and if that does take off, there are only maybe 15-20 champs out of the 90+ champs out there who are really suitable for dominion and after this last patch i would actually decrease that number of champs suitable. Please think about this RIOT I love the game and would love to continue playing and having fun but I don't see that at this point if you continue to stay on the path you are on.


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abyssmalstar

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01-20-2012

I don't get this Riot. Kass is OP. Y U NO NERF IRELIA