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^^ well african tribal societies ideal woman are obese as this is sign of family wealth and overall health
Oops getting culture mixed up with biology.... remember that until recently Africa had a serious calorie production problem due to a number of problems. Dis functional international aid soviet style governments and lack of roads or year around navigable water ways (its a bigger deal then it appears once you analyze what navigational water does for a society and what its lack does to a social structure). (Their are a number of good reads but many consider Thomas Sowell's book race and culture to be the best of its class in regards to explaining the very large role topographical features of a county or region play in development or lack their of)
Men will prefer fat women only when they are on calorie restriction AKA famine for extended periods of time. Fatness is a not a cultural phenomena in female beauty but rather a biological one that is imposed on males who experiences lack of 3 square meals a day during their formative puberty years. African countries that have experienced the longest periods of peace also have thinner women in their (rather excellent local music videos) then those who have experienced food shortages or governments intent on starving people as a means of control.
Starvation in Europe also led to female body types that were both idealistically fat or plump but it did not last once farming techniques improved and idealized females became much much thinner when the last specters of famine were eradicated in the west with the rise of industrialism farming. Personally I don't want to see the rise of fatness a beauty ideal among men because it almost certainly means malnutrition or worse famine is stalking the land destroying the hopes of hard working people. Fat people as a beauty ideal is nearly always a sign of people living on the edge of subsistence where many fall though the cracks into starvation. A sign of mental distress if their ever was one which can persist even a full generation or two after the last big famine.