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Heimerdinger Exhaustively Examined

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ItsJustPain

Senior Member

11-20-2012

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Evolnemesis:
Lol no... Riot themselves said they nerfed him into the DIRT and that only a rework will fix him... in S1 they took him when he was already considered weak late game, and then HALFED his damage, nerfing EVERY SINGLE ability's range at the same time AND made ALL his cc worse; all because he was unbeatable in lane, which made him supposedly 'toxic' and 'anti-fun'. At this point, no item is suddenly going to make Heimer viable unless it says something like 'if your name is Heimerdinger, your AP is doubled'.

They gave him 5 patches in a row of pure nerfs that ripped apart every one of his abilities and destroyed any semblance of balance he used to have. They literally halved his damage across the board by weakening his turrets then taking away one and also nerfing his grenade damage, 15-20% range nerf across the board to EVERY ABILITY and to his turrets, the area of his ult's slow is now MUCH smaller with a longer cooldown also... a slower grenade with much shorter range and smaller stun radius...

He was DESIGNED as the champ with the squishiest base stats and with such low mobility because those weaknesses were supposed to be balanced out by his damage, range, and utility... and they only sort of were before the nerfs. His positioning-dependence and dependence on immobile, long-cooldown turrets for a lot of his damage still made him weak-mediocre at best late game, but because he was broken in lane, they took ALL of his balancing strengths away, leaving ONLY his weaknesses until they could fix him. He is TOTALLY outclassed by any other AP champ right now.

The WHOLE TIME after this, Riot said that he could not get ANY kind of balance changes because they were working on a rework and any kind of buff would make him unbeatable in lane again... of course this is OVER TWO YEARS AGO and they still never actually got to finishing the rework. At least they fixed Eve after they hit her 'toxic' kit, and they hurt her kit a LOT less than his (not to mention AFTER his).


Yup nerf after nerf
if they gave him a little more power back with no CDR on turrets and a bit long more range to kill minions and more health on level 5 turrets
he is much better

Now everyone is always targeting Heimer first
because good players know how to use him
and he is #1 target
so roit is taking that away from all of us heimerdinger players
i'm sure they will do a rework and mess him up even more


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ItsJustPain

Senior Member

11-20-2012

Bump


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Hilarious Turtle

Member

11-22-2012

Bump for all the heibros out there.


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xThePlayMakerx

Senior Member

11-23-2012

Heimerdinger lives. Nerf irelia!!!!


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Evolnemesis

Senior Member

11-24-2012

Quote:
ItsJustPain:
Yup nerf after nerf
if they gave him a little more power back with no CDR on turrets and a bit long more range to kill minions and more health on level 5 turrets
he is much better

Now everyone is always targeting Heimer first
because good players know how to use him
and he is #1 target
so roit is taking that away from all of us heimerdinger players
i'm sure they will do a rework and mess him up even more


Those changes would do nothing to help him late game really... more health on the level 5 turrets mean nothing when the real problem is people moving away from them, and even with more health, the turrets would still die to an autoattack or two anyway. They need to make his turrets more expendable and just do damage more reliably in a fight. An AI buff would help them more than just adding health, or a burst of damage when they come out or are destroyed.

Their rework ideas that were leaked actually looked very good. If what comes out is anything like that I would be happy. The changes make all of his abilities, especially his turrets a LOT better late and in any kind of fight... The turrets get a long range AOE nuke they shoot right after they come out, every so often after that, and any time you throw a grenade anywhere in range. He will still use all his abilities in the same ways, they will just all do more damage and work more reliably.

His early game will require him to be more aggressive and active to zone his enemies, but it will not be weaker. He will be able to easily nuke you down in a second from good range if you try and approach him with all his cooldowns up and a few turrets around.


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JohntheMage

Senior Member

11-24-2012

For justice and Heimerdinger!


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GangstaBlasta

Senior Member

11-24-2012

First


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AL92

Senior Member

11-29-2012

This thread will keep being a thorn in Riot's side until they decide to give Heimer the love he deserves!!


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duewell

Member

11-29-2012

my favorite topic gets a bump


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JohntheMage

Senior Member

11-29-2012

For Science!