Heimerdinger Exhaustively Examined

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PunkHeroZero

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11-09-2012

I like how the jungle got an update (an aspect of the game that effect ALL characters and gameplay) but this single character still hasn't got reworked to work in this current faster pace gameplay.


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AL92

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11-12-2012

And yet , there is nothing for heimer :/ ....


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Calbrena

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11-12-2012

Bump...


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AL92

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11-13-2012

And ofc the season 2 end patch gets released , buffs for everyone beside Heimer >_> ..


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BBFSmokedCayenne

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11-13-2012

who's more UP: karma or heimer?


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DevoutBeerKitten

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11-13-2012

Karma does well in the right hands, just like heimer, except heimer is more of a stationary champ than encouraging movement like in today's LoL champs. If you could pick up all your turrets and lay them down with ease, then heimer could be viable.


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Evolnemesis

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11-13-2012

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Originally Posted by mogumaster View Post
Karma does well in the right hands, just like heimer, except heimer is more of a stationary champ than encouraging movement like in today's LoL champs. If you could pick up all your turrets and lay them down with ease, then heimer could be viable.
No, his AP scaling and damage output was totally destroyed, it was hit so hard that it's WAY worse than anyone else's at this point... he was nerfed to oblivion for being toxic and anti-fun... just like eve was back then... except they thought he was worse for the game than Eve, so they nerfed him FIRST, AND harder than what they did to eve... they really only screwed up one of her abilities... Heimer got every single ability nerfed to hell in just about every conceivable way over 5 straight patches in a row of pure nerfs, just because of his laning, even though he was considered weak late even back then, nobody thought he was a problem past 15 minutes...

And besides his damage, he lost a lot of his cc utility and range he needed to make up for his being extra squishy even compared to other mages with no escapes (not to mention make up for the whole stationary thing which you mentioned, which made most people think of him as weak even back then). They heavily reduced the range on EVERY ABILITY... made his slow AND stun both a lot harder to use, with shorter range, slower missile speed on the grenade, and a smaller stun radius, the slow had its cooldown increased and the area much smaller thanks to the range nerf on the turrets, which also now have less life, worse base damage, and worse scaling each, AND longer cooldowns...

Most other mages can outdamage his entire kit with ONE ability at this point, and that's even if you include his turrets AND those mages have more utility and are harder to kill at the same time. He's totally outclassed by any other AP champ thanks to Riot. Unfortunately, Heimer only gets kills now against stupid opponents who sit in turrets forever, or when he KS'es with his rockets.


TL;DR: He's not fine... he's missing most of the damage, range, and utility which he originally had, which he needs to balance out his extreme squishiness and low mobility... his damage especially, which was never exceptional, was literally nerfed into the dust and is only about HALF what it used to be.


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Evolnemesis

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11-13-2012

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Originally Posted by SmokedCayenne View Post
who's more UP: karma or heimer?
Karma was released as a slightly underpowered-mediocre champ who didn't really fit into normal gameplay.

Heimer was released as a slightly underpowered-mediocre champ who didn't really fit into normal gameplay, but THEN he got every single ability nerfed hardcore because his laning was actually strong and Morello didn't like his playstyle. What happens to a mediocre-slightly underpowered champ when you nerf the hell out of every single one of his abilities? You get Heimer... Karma's not even a comparison... I'm willing to bet Karma can outdamage him easily with the same gear, and I KNOW she is harder to kill and brings more utility to a team than him.


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JohntheMage

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11-13-2012

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Originally Posted by Evolnemesis View Post
Karma was released as a slightly underpowered-mediocre champ who didn't really fit into normal gameplay.
That's Karma's main issue. she has some amazing skills, but there just isn't a spot for her in the current meta although she can be quite useful in some comps.

On the other hand, when playing Heimerdinger you depend completely on the enemy coming to you and more importantly your turrets. Smart enemies will just avoid you, or poke down the turrets once they are placed. Come late game, most champs can go right through the turrets to kill you.


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Zergem

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11-13-2012

Great book hope riot reads this so they can finaly fix heim!