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Re: Social Security etc

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Cliste

Senior Member

01-05-2012

To all the old people out there worried they might not get "what they paid for" in Social Security, Medicare, etc.... Stop it. You are being entitled brats. Social Security, etc were set up as SAFETY NETS to catch people who fall on hard times and are unable to support themselves due to extenuating circumstances. They are NOT a "I paid for 40 years now pay me back" programs. Even if they were, because of how long you'll likely live, you're going to be paid 10 times what you paid into the programs to begin with.

Worse, if you are well off, if you made a good deal of money in your career, you have NO right to these programs. You are not in need. You are greedy! You have as much "right" to that money as you do foodstamps.

Before these systems were set up, people didn't have to save for retirement because people RARELY lived past 55, an age at which people can EASILY work to support themselves. Now, people have this magical idea that once they reach 60, they can stop working and be paid for it. NO! You can NOT!! Save as you work, set aside money, and support yourself you lazy entitled *******s!

Now, if you fall on really hard times (illness, injury, extreme old age to the point you can't support yourself, etc), then yes, we as a society have an obligation to support you and keep you fed, clothed, sheltered, and in (relatively) good health. We're going to take care of you. Just... stop taking advantage of our generosity.

Sincerely
A person of a generation who likely will not see a dime of these programs, even if we need them


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Dobagoh

Member

01-05-2012

You really showed those old people on this forum.


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Cliste

Senior Member

01-05-2012

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Dobagoh:
You really showed those old people on this forum.


I actually posted this in several different forums. It is an open letter. That is generally how these things work. You post them in many places which get high traffic. It is a combination of publicity and (to use a far too grandiose of a phrase) starting a movement. Simply put, the more people see it, the more people talk about it, and the more gets done (hopefully).


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Dragoeth

Senior Member

01-05-2012

Screw social security. Lets get rid of it entirely.


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sammich kek

Senior Member

01-05-2012

Quote:
Cliste:
To all the old people out there worried they might not get "what they paid for" in Social Security....


Quote:
Cliste:

Sincerely
A person of a generation who likely will not see a dime of these programs, even if we need them



wait.. what


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Cliste

Senior Member

01-05-2012

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ThinkSammich:
wait.. what


Perhaps I wasn't clear enough about the back-drop of the subject / audience.

There has been for about a decade a large movement from the elderly and the "baby boom" generation which has the sole purpose of defending these programs from any and all cuts, regulations, and modifications which might reduce the amount that ANYONE gets from these programs. So much so that any politician who even talks about means testing is cast as a vile villan who wants to take social security from the infirm old lady and put her on the street.

I am 28 years old. I am of a generation which has been paying into these programs for 10+ years. My generation is also the one which is projected to reach the age when we might need these programs (note the difference between need and want) at the same time that they are offically bankrupt and unable to provide any services.

There. Does that make it clearer?


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Lagfromhell

Senior Member

01-05-2012

Social Security is basically a Ponzi scheme. The problem with Ponzi schemes is that once you're dishing out more money than what's coming in, the system's going to fail.

As for Medicare and the sort, I've seen people apply for it as a low-income household when they make much more than they claim to. To them, it's a way to "save money". To everyone else, it's a way to "cheat the system". A flawed system can only produce flawed results.


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