### Can Vayne deal more damage with just a PD compared to another AD carry...

Accerso

Senior Member

Who has a B.F. Sword?

Lets find out (There is no argument here, just math and numbers, I am not saying anyone is OP or UP, just comparing damages between two champions)

So lets assume Vayne is lvl 6, that means she has 66 AD with no runes or masteries.

Now by lvl 6 vayne would have 3 points in E and one in her Q and W.

Now with no items let see how much damage Vayne can do in one auto attack including the damage from Tumble.

Then Tumble adds an extra 40% of her AD, so that's another 36 damage right there.

So with no items, runes or masteries Vayne can deal:

127 damage

Remember this is one auto attack with ult active after tumbling, no Silver Bolt damage.

Throw in a PD with a crit and you have 254 damage before mitigation.

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Now how much extra damage would be done if Vayne attacked during the third proc of her Silver Bolts?

Well as SB does % Total HP we need to know how much HP her target has. Lets pick another popular AD carry, Caitlin.

Cait has 390 base HP with +80 per lvl so she will have 790 HP by lvl 6.

Vayne's SB does (at lvl 1) 20 base true damage and 4% total HP.

So against lvl 6 Cait SB alone will deal 52 true damage.

Combine that with the damage from a tumbled auto attack with ult active and you have:

179 damage

With a crit you have 254 Physical damage and then 52 true damage totaling 306 Total damage before mitigation.

Again this is only ONE attack with no runes or masteries.

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Now lets compare that to another AD carry, lets use Cait again.

Cait has 47 base AD with +3 AD per lvl so at lvl 6 Cait has 62 AD. (4 AD less than Vayne)

Now Since were comparing Auto Attack damage we don't need to know Cait's skill order as none of her abilities aside from her passive effect her AA.

So Cait's Passive deals 150% damage to a champion.

So at lvl 6 with Headshot proced Cait will deal:

93 damage before mitigation.

186 if she crit.

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Now lets assume Cait has a BF Sword.

160 damage before mitigation

320 if she crits

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TLDR

So lets remove crits and take a look:

Vayne: lvl 6, Tumble(lvl 1), Final Hour(lvl 1), SB 3rd Proc(lvl 1) = 179 Damage (no crit)

Cait: Lvl 6, Headshot, BF Sword = 160 Damage

Again this is all with no runes or masteries and before mitigation.

Another thing to note about this final number is that this is even without any benefit from PD as I removed crits. So a Vayne with no items can deal more damage than a Cait who has a BF sword with one auto attack. Can Vayne continue to outdamage that Cait and kill her first? I don't know I haven't done that yet but I could if requested.

Shall I compare Vayne to other AD carries? Or maybe see how much damage is done overall over a number of auto attacks?

tHeWh1Z

Senior Member

Accerso

Senior Member

Then read the TLDR at the bottom

Guurtan

Member

phantom dancer costs MORE than a bf sword, this renders any "vayne op" argument you have, invalid.

You are also comparing raw damage between champions with different skill sets.

SuperSobotka

Senior Member

i know a secret

vaynes overpowered, her late game is VERY strong and benefits more from a full build because of her kit (mainly her w)

and her early game is VERY strong as well. once shes level 3 if she gets you in a wall your probably going to die

PickleChutney

Senior Member

Your comparison has some pretty gaping flaws.

Keep at it champ!

Nakkiel

Senior Member

Except Caitlyn gets to take free shots at Vayne before she even gets in range, so the # of damage isn't the only thing that's relevant. This is what people don't factor in, all the ****ing time.

chaser676

Senior Member

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prizomrulz

Recruiter

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Accerso

Senior Member

I'm not arguing anything.

Another thread was saying that Vayne could deal more damage with just a PD than any other AD carry with a BF Sword, but the thread had no math proving it either way so I decided to take the liberty and do the math for everyone.

There is no argument here, just math.

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