No resource champions.

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Shahdee

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07-06-2010

Why was this **** implemented in the first place? It's blatantly imbalanced to have these kind of champions in the game; and by all means, increase the health cost on those champions who use HP to cast their abilities.

This type of favoritism just dumbs the game down.


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Ponies Gonna Pwn

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07-06-2010

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Originally Posted by Shahdee View Post
Why was this **** implemented in the first place? It's blatantly imbalanced to have these kind of champions in the game; and by all means, increase the health cost on those champions who use HP to cast their abilities.

This type of favoritism just dumbs the game down.
Because they have abilities that are weaker in exchange for more flexibility.


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Fluffy1

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07-06-2010

their resourse is damage, to do the same damage as anyone else they need multiple cast, in a teamfight you dont have the time to do enough damage.


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Brassherald

Senior Member

07-06-2010

First of all, one of the no resource characters is the severely UP Garen, who is nearly unplayable the whole game and gets worse from level 10 on, so before giving him a resource, they have to fix him to have playability. Second, the health champs are mostly considered UP as well, with Mord having a horrid end game, Tryn having one good ability, and Mundo being listed as a tank but only being a viable DPS. They don't need an increase in health cost.

Finally, I'm surprised you didn't throw in how the energy system was bad, since of the three "manaless" systems, this is by far the best implemented. They don't have Garen running around with no use whatsoever, and they don't have health costs to make them weaker. My guess is that you haven't played any of the other two and you don't realize that these heroes are so UP for the most part.

I will also say here, I play mostly Shen, and his energy system makes him fun and easy to play, so I am not saying to get rid of energy systems, just that it makes the ninjas superior to most health users and resourceless users.


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QuentinWarden

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07-06-2010

No resource champions are simply boring, having to manage only cooldowns and therefore removing a key bit of strategy in a real time strategy game, not broken

Give them an existing resource, buff their abilities to compensate, have fun

Might give garren the excuse he needs to get buffed to useability


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CyanidePanda

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07-06-2010

Ninjas are superior to Everything and everyone. Just saying.


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Shahdee

Senior Member

07-06-2010

Garen is just garbage.

Energy champions are balanced on doing burst damage in a short time span.

Health based champions are almost in the same boat as Garen and Katarina and need to have their ability cost looked at.

But giving 2 champions the incredible advantage of having no resourse whatsoever is just injustifiable.


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TheDeathstalker

Senior Member

07-06-2010

As strange as it feels, even though their skills have no costs, they do still have several resources which you can directly or indirectly influence which affects the outcome of the game.

First, they have health. No, their spells don't require it, but unlike champions like Nidalee or Kayle, who do have mana, they have no means to heal themselves (Garen's passive being an exception, but also one that can be countered). Think about it, who lasts longer in a lane, a harassed Kat, or Soraka? Harass and focus early, force them out of lane, and you will affect their second resource...

Gold. They're heavily item dependent, so if you establish dominance in your lane (as you should!) you'll be able to limit their ultimate potential.

Hope that helps.


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Dalanos

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07-06-2010

yeah. once you manage to shut down katarina she becomes pretty ****ty for the entire game. its hard for her to really recover.


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Brassherald

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07-06-2010

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Originally Posted by QuentinWarden View Post
No resource champions are simply boring, having to manage only cooldowns and therefore removing a key bit of strategy in a real time strategy game, not broken

Give them an existing resource, buff their abilities to compensate, have fun

Might give garren the excuse he needs to get buffed to useability
They shouldn't need an excuse to make a champion usable.


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