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Should Baron and Dragon have their spawn locations generated each game?

Yes 536 31.53%
No 413 24.29%
I like turtles (yes) 501 29.47%
I like turtles (no) 250 14.71%
Voters 1700 .

@Riot: Dragon and Baron

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Isbeinglaid

Senior Member

11-17-2011

only thing that counters this idea is WARDS


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Ispiria

Senior Member

11-17-2011

Interesting concept, definitely has potential to add flavor to the typical game style. Bump for truth.


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Politburo

Senior Member

11-17-2011

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Bekkal:
Adds nothing to the game once the first dragon spawns, honestly.


the repercussions reach far further than just that. the game before Dragon spawns matter. the game can snowball before then. some (although few) new gank routes will become open. being on blue or purple team won't matter anymore. well, except the caster minions that is


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Bekkal

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11-17-2011

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Fufufufufu:
the point is that even if the sides are random, the players won't know until it matters. the thing is, by knowing which side you're on you can send laners accordingly. the lanes and advantage is already known. with it generated later, lane setups can not be so geared towards Dragon control until they are revealed. at that point, lanes may have to be shuffled depending upon each team's priorities. in dealing with shuffling the lanes, lane advantage may be lost in each lane. is it more important to control Dragon or keep lane advantage? each team must decide and answer when it happens, not simply assign 1/1/2 every game


Controlling dragon is more important, because the team that keeps "lane control" is the team that loses.

Don't believe me? Send two people top next game and see if your opponents switch lanes up on you, or if they just dominate the lane with dragon while their top gains on farm.

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Fufufufufu:
the repercussions reach far further than just that. the game before Dragon spawns matter. the game can snowball before then. some (although few) new gank routes will become open. being on blue or purple team won't matter anymore. well, except the caster minions that is


Dragon spawns wayyyyy too soon for a game to start snowballing.


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Politburo

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11-17-2011

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Isbeinglaid:
only thing that counters this idea is WARDS


wards will be there. wards will always be there. but competitive junglers are able to gank even with wards. initial ward placement depends on the lanes too


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Politburo

Senior Member

11-17-2011

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Bekkal:
Controlling dragon is more important, because the team that keeps "lane control" is the team that loses.

Don't believe me? Send two people top next game and see if your opponents switch lanes up on you, or if they just dominate the lane with dragon while their top gains on farm.


here's the thing, that's the point of swapping the spawns. if what you're saying is happening is an example of a lack of lane control and bad play. their 2v1 automatically dominates your solo but your 2v1 get zoned? if you're going to make a point like this, it has to be symmetrical


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Vogie

Senior Member

11-17-2011

I'd like it. It adds that tiny bit of randomness that DOTA had with the river runes that LoL took out, without the potentially disasterous consequences of actually being random.

And you know what, you could do that with the Jungle Buffs as well (that is, they can swap at the beginning of the game and stay there throughout). It'd create an interesting dynamic - It changes the "rotation" of the jungler, the counter jungler, of the lanes, of jungle invasions, timing of the ganks. You could have a game with the zones reversed, or both Blues on the North side, or Both Reds on the north side, or exactly the same as now.


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Politburo

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11-17-2011

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Bekkal:

Dragon spawns wayyyyy too soon for a game to start snowballing.


i watched a stream once with a S1 2k elo friend down the hall and here's what we saw watching another S1 2k stream.

ezreal and alistar on blue team take the double golems at the beginning before minions spawn. they hit level 2 before the enemy and proceed to dominate the lane because it's 2 L2's against 2 L1's. the other side didn't have a chance. lane was dominated in the first 3 minutes and it snowballed the whole game. taric and vayne on the other side did not have the option to take double golems.

randomizing dragon spawn would allow possibilities like this to be taken into consideration. there would actually be a mindgame aspect to lane assignments.


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YBSk8R

Senior Member

11-17-2011

ya but then if bot lane goes support + ad carry, and dragon is on purple side, then top and bot would need to switch lanes which could be a pain in the ass because the moron on the other team that is top may not switch


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Politburo

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11-17-2011

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YBSk8R:
ya but then if bot lane goes support + ad carry, and dragon is on purple side, then top and bot would need to switch lanes which could be a pain in the ass because the moron on the other team that is top may not switch


if there's morons in the game i think it's safe enough to assume that the game is low elo enough that there wasn't much Dragon control to begin with and that it would be essentially identical to if it didn't spawn on the other side