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Chogath is Top-Tier (Again): The Definitive Guide by 5HITCOMBO

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rExekias

Game Design Intern

10-20-2010

OP, if you still play, what do you think of the recent changes to Cho? Is it worth getting Rylai's early to make spikes crazy cool and what about new warmogs?


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HMS BUTTPEE

Senior Member

10-20-2010

Zhonya's first is bad, since you don't get the 25% AP bonus, and it's very expensive. When I go AP I tend to rush RoA, Rylai's, or DFG. Then get some survivability boots and gear. Often times that survivability item will be Abyssal Scepter. Then get AA staff or some such.

Also, AP Cho is hit or miss, because rupture is so **** slow.


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Warrrax

Senior Member

10-20-2010

What do you think about using Exhaust as a gank initiator? You dont have to worry about missing with your Rupture when you exhaust, and then drop the Rupture on em a few seconds later.

Also how bout the Bilgewater Cutlass? It adds damage and lifesteal which isn't super great, but for 1825 gold it does give you a small nuke and a 50% slow for 3 seconds. 60 sec cooldown isnt bad either. I heard of someone using it and wondered what you thought.

I would think that by the time you got it, it would be too late for ganking but thought I'd ask.


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5HATCOMBO

Senior Member

10-20-2010

Okay, I've updated the build in light of the recent changes and buffs--lately I haven't been playing lane Cho because MF absolutely wrecks you 1v1 and it's a pretty big risk to lane against her because she will just shut you down completely at higher levels, but against champs like Tristana or Karthus, you're still 100% viable. Vlad is a tough matchup but it's winnable if you can outheal him and deny him farm by making him waste his transfusions on you instead of using it to farm.

Anyway I suggest you jungle with Cho nowadays, but if you're still going to lane with him, you still need solo and just make sure you're not across MF.

Now that Vorpal procs Rylai's it's worth it to go Doran's Shield -> Boots -> NLR -> Rylai's -> GA/finish Zhonya's depending on the game. I've also been running a tankier Cho a lot more now that the metagame has changed and your role as an instagib is a bit less pronounced because of all the good CC and the return of the ranged carry. See my jungle guide for more on that build, it's a bit closer to what I'm doing nowadays but after this recent patch I'm replacing the rod in that build with Rylai's, which is suddenly really good on Cho. I'll update the OP when I get around to it.

Nowadays Cho is still good, but he's more of a support tanky caster than the huge carry-the-game tank-caster he used to be. Riot really knew what they were doing when they decided to change the metagame back to balanced tank/tank/support/caster/ranged carry teams. HSGG said something about him playing Cho in ranked, which is fun to hear, but IMO he only really shines in the jungle anywhere above 1500. Under 1500 you can still wtfstomp people with him, though.


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simplygnome

Senior Member

10-21-2010

I'm going to admit that I don't play ranked, however, I'd like to know more about MF wrecking you, esp after the nerf she got.

I have a MUCH harder time against vlad than I do against MF. I have to switch up my game, play very defensively, and wait for level 6. Flash, hit, ruin her passive, THEN spike, feast, and she runs back like a little girl...

Thank GOODNESS her double shot got a range nerf on the bounce. Thats what really used to kill me.

EDIT: I usually dont kill her with this combo, as I havent harrassed her much at this point, but it sends her home, giving me quality time with the tower.

Also...A little help from my jungler usually puts her in place too.


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ThislsAmerica

Junior Member

10-21-2010

Just a short suggestion have you ever considered atma's on cho? The + 2% of your health in physical damage gets really nice with all the hp you get with warmogs/feast stacks. I play cho almost exclusively and i've found that combo in itself can get you hitting 240+ with auto attacks. Also i'm not sure yet if that physical attacks bonus actually applies to feast. Food for thought


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5HATCOMBO

Senior Member

10-22-2010

I don't feel that atma's is a very good choice on Cho because you're really not building him for auto-attacks but hey, if it works for you go for it.


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HMS BUTTPEE

Senior Member

11-28-2010

Is the GA in this build really still viable, with the recent nerfs to it? Or do you build it for stat bonuses?

Also I have been messing around with this build lately, and it is good fun. I still like my RoA -> Boots -> Rylai's/Aby Scepter


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FailyMcSadPants

Senior Member

11-29-2010

Quote:
wildfire393:
Okay. So Cho' Naturally has 85 armor and 30 MR. So at 3.8K Hp, his Effective HP numbers are 7030 and 4940. If you pick up Warmogg's to take you to 5K HP, his effective HP numbers are 9250 and 6500. If, instead, you pick up Randuin's Omen and Spirit Visage (both fairly cheap and effective items that still give HP regen, the combination of the two is only a little bit more expensive than Warmogg's), your HP goes to 4.1K, your armor goes to 175, and your MR goes to 66. This makes your EHP numbers 11275 and 6683 - Higher than the Warmogg's gave you.



Are you assuming fully farmed warmogs?


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LiterallyAPanda

Recruiter

01-27-2011

Tried to get a hold of you in-game, though it makes sense not to just accept random invites. I was meaning to ask if you still played Cho with any frequency, and whether as of the current patch (108 I think?) you still jungled with him?