Regarding the WCG Qualifiers

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DireRaven

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10-31-2011

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Originally Posted by TopherB View Post
How does this go in favor of Team Dignitas anyway? So not only do they have a 1 game advantage the first set, they lost, so it's 1-0, but they also have a 1 game advantage in the second set, which they won. That makes it 1-1, but do they also have an advantage in the whole set (best of 3)? So out of a possible 6 games, they had to win 2? Also, why is there no 3rd set played?
I mean, it's 1-1.

Unless I'm real dumb.
Originally they had a 1 game advantage in best of 3. After that was done and CDE won they changed their minds and said it was actually a one set advantage. So Dignitas went in already having 1 set win under their belt (that they never played, they were just given it) meaning they only had to win 1 set to get 2/3 and beat CDE.


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B o A

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10-31-2011

LOL @ this post

ur wall of text tells us nothing

so ur basically saying now is that it's all up to wcg response


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Skyelar

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10-31-2011

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Originally Posted by RiotMontag View Post
This is an important point.

Overall, there has been a lot of heresy and miscommunication about the relationship between Riot and WCG. We do not administer any aspect of the WCG tournament; we're not on the ground making calls that determine how the tournament proceeds, period. If any third party running a League of Legends tournament or the competitors in that tournament ask for our guidance, we'll try provide it, but we do not ultimately own that decision -- the tournament itself does.

We've spoken with the WCG, and they are working to clarify their position on these issues. It is not our place to decide for them, nor have we attempted to interject ourselves into the decision-making process, nor would we do so for any tournament we're not overseeing. What we are doing is pushing for more clarity and better communication from our third parties so that players and viewers all have the same expectations going forward.

TL;DR: We've spoken to WCG about this, we're not happy about it, and WCG is working on clarifying it.
Wait, so Matt made a recommendation to WCG that started this mess in the first place and now Riot is hands off? If you're not willing to take ownership of a problem that was created by a recommendation from the eSports Manager of Riot, then maybe Riot shouldn't be making recommendations in the first place.


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Ducktaped

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10-31-2011

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Originally Posted by RiotMontag View Post
I agree. Totally. 100%. As someone who's really excited to see eSports flourish, I want to see more polish across the board and far less confusion. And right now, we know it's moving way too slow.

We're working on ways to better support our third parties. We can't own every decision ever made in a LoL tournament, but we're going to try to make it easier for third party tournaments to make better decisions overall, because we love this game as much as you do, and we want to see it flourish as an eSport.
Then the best option is not to try and justify the decision if it is completely wrong in every way imaginable. This is what is happening, Marcou is trying to justify the bending of the rules, and evading one of the biggest issues; Jatt.


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Plixx

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10-31-2011

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Originally Posted by SSOTP View Post
If dig, conceded the defeat told cde good luck in korea they admitted defeat, Ignorance of the law is bliss, so my question is why where the not forfit and told to read the rules next time.
A reasonable point, except had they "read the rules" they would've come to the understanding that they had already lost. The problem is that WCG has chosen not to adhere to the stated rules as opposed to the rules they wanted to use but did not tell players about.


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Merana

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10-31-2011

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Originally Posted by Razz Ako View Post
Ugh, Jatt breaking WCG rules doesn't mean he's breaking the SC, besides SC rules are as worthless as WCG rules.

It's like, competing in two teams in a WoW tournament, you can get banned from the tournament along with the teams, but in WoW you wouldn't get harmed at all.
Congrats on completely missing the point, which was that in the end Riot has full control of their game. If they, for example, chose to ban Jatt's accounts from playing the game for the duration of the competition then that would be that regardless of how WCG interprets or changes their own rules.

But it is safer for them to sit back and claim that they have no way to influence the outcome and it's in the hands of the third-party organizers, because that way their own asses are covered.


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aJangbiStorm

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10-31-2011

Q: Why does WCG post a bunch of fake rules if they're going to make countless other ones that nullify them?


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QsR

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10-31-2011

LOUD NOISES que?


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LikeAMartian

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10-31-2011

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Originally Posted by sidinh muto View Post
If that's true than by the rules JATT really is declared for the US and people can not complain about his eligibility for the US.
Well, the rules stated that anyone attempting to play for multiple countries could get a lifetime ban from WCG. It's funny that instead, all he got was a DQ from the tourney he already lost in.


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MattMarcou

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10-31-2011
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Originally Posted by DunkinDNuts View Post
Then why wasn't Canada's Qualifiers run that way?
The format for WCG Canada is the same double elimination best of three format. It was also communicated improperly by the WCG CA admins (the same organization that ran the US tournament).

After the WCG CA admins were told that the Canadian final hadn't been completed, they called a meeting with those players to have the finish the finals. Final results from that tournament are still pending and will be posted by WCG Canada when they are complete.