am i the only one who thinks backdooring is a bad idea?

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aim1essgun

Senior Member

11-02-2011

Some good thoughts in here. Backdooring definitely depends on situation, and its general effectiveness is proportional to how bad the enemy team is. Bad opponents will throw too many resources into stopping backdoors and gimp themselves.

Backdoor when:
-Your team can't seem to take a 3rd node (almost always top) by direct assault.
-Some of their team is dead and you know you can get in a 'free' cap or neutralize.
-Some of your team is dead and you need to wait on respawns to push top anyways, and you think you can backdoor without dying.


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Ulstan

Senior Member

11-02-2011

I feel like most dedicated back capping champs are an easily countered gimmick that should never work against a competent team.

The only two exceptions are Shaco and Teemo, who can provide elements of map control while running around from point to point. Trapping the speed pads and health pots definitely gives your team an edge.


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E0L

Senior Member

11-02-2011

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Some good thoughts in here. Backdooring definitely depends on situation, and its general effectiveness is proportional to how bad the enemy team is. Bad opponents will throw too many resources into stopping backdoors and gimp themselves.
this is the point im trying to make, its not that eve is viable, or that the strategy works. it doesnt, for every time it does work there are 10 other times it doesnt.

im tired of hearing "im awesome at it therefore it must be the best thing ever" arguments. those are not valid reasons.

back capping is super risky, super situational and backfires more often then it is a success. ergo its not a viable strategy it is a viable alternative.

at least there are some people in here that have a good grasp of the implications of doing this


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MeijiDoom

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11-02-2011

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this is the point im trying to make, its not that eve is viable, or that the strategy works. it doesnt, for every time it does work there are 10 other times it doesnt.

im tired of hearing "im awesome at it therefore it must be the best thing ever" arguments. those are not valid reasons.

back capping is super risky, super situational and backfires more often then it is a success. ergo its not a viable strategy it is a viable alternative.

at least there are some people in here that have a good grasp of the implications of doing this
No one recommends constant backcapping unless the other team proves they can't stop you from at least neutralizing points. However, if you have someone on your team that can threaten points in 1 v 2 or 2 v 3 situations and the other team can't afford to defend the middle point they own, it becomes a legitimate option. Works even better if you have promote to send at your opponent along the way.


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TouchinMyself

Senior Member

11-02-2011

Its a strategy that CAN work but not always. If you cant beat the enemy team in a fight you can BD points and try and split them and win that way. Its just pointless BDing where you BD then lose the point 10 seconds later that is the problem.


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Ahlen

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11-02-2011

Having someone dedicated to back capping is bad, if the other team is competent all it does is make the whole game 4v5.

Backcapping at strategic times however can be good.


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IndigoHawk

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11-02-2011

Backdoor when the opponent is doing too good of a job guarding their points. If you go for enemy mid, maybe they'll panic or not communicate and send 2 people instead of 1 after you. You might weaken top or stop reinforcements from getting to top. It's a situational tactic more than a build style. Backdoor seems to be a desperate move to try to derail the winning team.


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Luvz

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11-02-2011

the answer is the same as the answer to every other strategy question in this forum.

it's situational. it can lose games and win games depending on the scenario.


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Moo 777

Junior Member

11-03-2011

Phantom stacking Poppy or Blitzcrank with trinity or FoN are amazing for back door tactics, and are incredibly viable duelists as well. Backdoor certainly isn't my focus with them, but when needed it can take pressure off top long enough to cap it.


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ma514

Junior Member

11-03-2011

My understanding of arguments made by Pro BD supports is this

"Cap is a great strat and viable when you have team that can hold 1v2 v23 and 3v4." But if your team is that strong you DONT need to BD in first place. If your team is stronger than other team you should be able to do a minion push and win the skirmish and win their turrets easy.

BD start players rely on stupid opposition players who will chase them around. I still am trying to get my head around that. Are there not easier ways to beat STUPID players?