Speedy Janna, or support in dominion in general

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Zeta

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10-07-2011

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Sorry but Xin Zhao/Jax/Akali is going to roflstomp Jax/Akali/Janna
Tanky DPS being OP (which is what you're actually talking about) doesn't mean support is UP.

Also, you don't send support to Windmill, you send them to guard bot, just like any AP character.

Also, get it through your head that supports aren't roaming backdoorers.


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KommunistKevin

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10-07-2011

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Originally Posted by SoBeNirvana View Post
Most support actually have mediocre to high AP ratios on everything but heals. Janna, Taric, and Zilean's AP ratios are pretty **** good.

The real weakness of supports on Summoner's Rift is mana, which is removed on Dominion. This allows you to build AP to your heart's desire. And the cooldowns for most support's damage spells are not very high at all (see: Soraka, Sona, and Zilean).
Its called combined offensive AP ratio

Janna and Taric have like 10 second cds on all their abilities

Brand, Kennen, Ryze will cast like 6 spells by the time Janna and Taric do 1 rotation.

Zilean can only deal 1.8 of his AP as damage by using double Q, Meanwhile brand can hit you with a full rotation .65+.6+.55+.5(3) = 3.3 this is what is meant by horrible ratios

Same thing with Soraka


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Zeta

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10-07-2011

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Originally Posted by KommunistKevin View Post
Its called combined offensive AP ratio

Janna and Taric have like 10 second cds on all their abilities

Brand, Kennen, Ryze will cast like 6 spells by the time Janna and Taric do 1 rotation.

Zilean can only deal 1.8 of his AP as damage by using double Q, Meanwhile brand can hit you with a full rotation .65+.6+.55+.5(3) = 3.3 this is what is meant by horrible ratios

Same thing with Soraka
You don't need high damage to interrupt a capture.


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rumples

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10-07-2011

but brand CANT SUPPORT...holy **** man.


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KommunistKevin

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10-07-2011

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Originally Posted by Zeta View Post
Tanky DPS being OP (which is what you're actually talking about) doesn't mean support is UP.

Also, you don't send support to Windmill, you send them to guard bot, just like any AP character.

Also, get it through your head that supports aren't roaming backdoorers.
Why not just get another tanky dps and send them bot? Why not have Xin Zhao bot? Even if the other team 2 v 1 dived Xin Zhao, Xin Zhao would probably kill them both with aid of the tower and walk out alive

Meanwhile Janna would probably lose the tower if Xin Zhao assaulted it alone


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KommunistKevin

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10-07-2011

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You don't need high damage to interrupt a capture.
You need high damage to stop a siege, sure you can poke the guy trying to cap every 6 seconds, but eventually your tower will go down

Meanwhile try capping a tower while Brand is defending, BAM he hits you with everything sending you back to the fountain.

Survive Brands rotation? its up again in another 4-5 seconds.


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Zeta

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10-07-2011

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Originally Posted by KommunistKevin View Post
Why not just get another tanky dps and send them bot? Why not have Xin Zhao bot? Even if the other team 2 v 1 dived Xin Zhao, Xin Zhao would probably kill them both with aid of the tower and walk out alive

Meanwhile Janna would probably lose the tower if Xin Zhao assaulted it alone
Janna has a damage absorb with a 1-to-1 AP ratio that barely has a cooldown in addition to her suite of skills geared towards defensive play. Janna would be able to stall Xin Zhao long enough for her team to get there, and if she was dived, provided she has Garrison up, Xin Zhao will die to the tower in the process while being kited around with Janna's Q and W.


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Gigg

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10-07-2011

Karma is incredible on this map. So is Taric... Supports are usefull only when they support good carry. Thats all I had to say.


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KommunistKevin

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10-07-2011

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Originally Posted by Zeta View Post
Janna has a damage absorb with a 1-to-1 AP ratio that barely has a cooldown in addition to her suite of skills geared towards defensive play. Janna would be able to stall Xin Zhao long enough for her team to get there, and if she was dived, provided she has Garrison up, Xin Zhao will die to the tower in the process while being kited around with Janna's Q and W.
Kite Xin Zhao? are you crazy?

Zephyr range = 600
Audacious charge = 650

Xin Zhao E's onto Janna, and knocks her up, by the time Janna hits the ground she is either dead or has lost 75% of her hp, If Xin has max cdr he can audacious charge on again and three talon strike, if he has frozen mallet of phage its GG, janna is slowed and xin just beats her down while slowing her with each blow


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Zeta

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10-07-2011

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Originally Posted by KommunistKevin View Post
Kite Xin Zhao? are you crazy?

Zephyr range = 600
Audacious charge = 650

Xin Zhao E's onto Janna, and knocks her up, by the time Janna hits the ground she is either dead or has lost 75% of her hp, If Xin has max cdr he can audacious charge on again and three talon strike, if he has frozen mallet of phage its GG, janna is slowed and xin just beats her down while slowing her with each blow
Because Janna's only form of cc is her W!