Thornmail: The secret is out!

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Saotru

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10-06-2011

Everything depends; its not like Thorn is better than FH everygame, or FH is better than Thorn, plus if ure playing one no-mana champion you won't make FH, neither Thorn usually against Trynd playing one squish champ, cuz he'll ult and eat you, while you could have OS and slow him behind, using 1-2 disables and the shield.
Actually, its very balanced, its all about particular situations =]


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Polaritie

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10-06-2011

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Originally Posted by KimKelley View Post
Frozen heart > thornmail

There, I said it.
Hell yes it is. CDR, armor, mana, and a aspd debuff aura. Not that thornmail's return is bad (it's really good), but Frozen Heart reduces their dps by more, and increases yours.


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ViashinoWizard

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10-06-2011

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Originally Posted by Polaritie View Post
Hell yes it is. CDR, armor, mana, and a aspd debuff aura. Not that thornmail's return is bad (it's really good), but Frozen Heart reduces their dps by more, and increases yours.
Unless you're playing a manaless champion.


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Weirding

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10-06-2011

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Originally Posted by KimKelley View Post
Frozen heart > thornmail

There, I said it.
775g more.

May mean a lot less to a champion that doesn't use mana, or that has short cooldowns.


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Aerodynamic

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10-06-2011

Frozen heart is my favorite. CDR and a great counter to high atk speed champs.


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Totaltrash

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10-06-2011

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Originally Posted by Tvor View Post
Yi, Pantheon, Xin, Jax and rammus against a team with 3 thornmails(Jax, Kog, Xera)+2 forgot.

Still won LOL 5 cap
1. Jax ignores enemies with thornmail.
It's his magic damage (empower/leap/counter) and the lifesteal (gunblades) that does you in.
While Jax is a hybrid, you are better off stacking MR than armor or buy an SotD if you want to kill him.

2. Thornmail on Jax is a waste, at least in Dominion. If I have to buy one, the game is lost anyway.


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Tvor

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10-06-2011

Bringing back memory, it was full melee ad team against Kog, Xera, Singed with thorn+jax+someone else.

Still can't believe we won though, almost all AD, melee, against dodge master and team with a few thornmails.


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Hotdogs

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10-07-2011

thornmail is the ****


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Tewnam

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10-07-2011

The damage return on thornmail is negligible if any AD carries are actually smart enough to adjust their build. Merc tread + hexdrinker + wit's end combined with any lifesteal item will take care of that, though it does mean they're gaining less or no health from their lifesteal where otherwise they might get a lot.

That being said, 100 armor for 2000g still isn't bad, but there's nothing they can do to get around you getting a ton of CDR and the haste debuff aura from a frozen heart.


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Tellah3

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10-07-2011

Buy both?