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Best champion to carry a 1300 player to gold ranking?

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ThirdDaysMoon

Senior Member

08-25-2011

(skip to the end if you don't care about details)
I'm duo-queueing him to gold rank, so basically I'll be team leader everytime. Last match we played together I went 7/1/2 as jungling Amumu. He went 3/1/5 as Brand. On his own, he managed to get up to the 1400s before he dropped back down to 1200.

Basically I've decided the following to insure victory:
1. I am banning Morde every game because people at 1400-1500 can't counter him
2. I am going to jungle every single game except in extreme cases. If I lane, it will be as Mordekaiser, Garen, or another near invincible champ that does loads of damage. No exceptions. I'm not touching support or squishy carries. This is me tryharding to win.

And things to know:
1. He is always going to be our solo/mid laner. He plays a lot of laning powerhouses very well, especially Brand, Zilean, Heimerdinger, and Udyr. But he's only decent at ranged carries and support. I'm going to make sure he is played to his strengths.
2. I've got runes to support basically everything, with only real exceptions being energy and movespeed quints

So out of Nocturne, Lee Sin, Udyr, Master Yi, Warwick, Jarvan, Gangplank, and Xin Zhao, who's my best bet (I play all of these quite often and jungle well on all of them)? I KNOW Amumu is technically "it", but even with me being captain every round, he's a hard champ to get and a risky one to leave unbanned.

I've got plenty of lee way to lose elo, but he doesn't, since each set back hits harder with the coming deadline. Someone care to help me help out a friend?


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biomorph

Senior Member

08-25-2011

First of all you should not think in terms of which champion (singularis) if your goal is to climb the solo ladder but rather which viable champions (pluralis) for which roles (also pluralis).

Now this can be elaborated quite a bit but I think realizing the above is a good start.


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Bumbah

Senior Member

08-25-2011

My first thought was morde, but you covered that Out of the ones you listed Noc and Xin are the scariest junglers to go against. Their ganks are undodgable, except only by flash. Lee Sin is a good pick too


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ThirdDaysMoon

Senior Member

08-25-2011

Quote:
biomorph:
First of all you should not think in terms of which champion (singularis) if your goal is to climb the solo ladder but rather which viable champions (pluralis) for which roles (also pluralis).

Now this can be elaborated quite a bit but I think realizing the above is a good start.


Well the thing is, I don't particularly need to adapt to roles other than those because I'm the team leader, guaranteed due to the duo queue situation. And also a bit unfortunately, adaption is something the other side will be doing to me because of this. So I was posting to more or less ask "What is the absolute strongest first pick I can take to win every game from roughly 1450-1650 elo?" Not being able to counterpick is a bit painful, but I can direct the rest of the team to do it, at the very least.

I have first pick on my team and can tell them what I am going to play, and then play it. Jungling is the hardest role on a team, it lets me carry quite well, and it's something I am quite sure I do much better than anyone at this elo. So I'm just going to flat out tell them to just "deal with it" because it's realistically my best chance of winning.

Adaption is something the other side will be doing to me because of this. So I was posting to more or less ask "What is the absolute strongest first pick I can take to win every game from roughly 1450-1650 elo?"


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KalastRaven

Senior Member

08-25-2011

Quote:
ThirdDaysMoon:
(skip to the end if you don't care about details)
I'm duo-queueing him to gold rank, so basically I'll be team leader everytime. Last match we played together I went 7/1/2 as jungling Amumu. He went 3/1/5 as Brand. On his own, he managed to get up to the 1400s before he dropped back down to 1200.

Basically I've decided the following to insure victory:
1. I am banning Morde every game because people at 1400-1500 can't counter him
2. I am going to jungle every single game except in extreme cases. If I lane, it will be as Mordekaiser, Garen, or another near invincible champ that does loads of damage. No exceptions. I'm not touching support or squishy carries. This is me tryharding to win.

And things to know:
1. He is always going to be our solo/mid laner. He plays a lot of laning powerhouses very well, especially Brand, Zilean, Heimerdinger, and Udyr. But he's only decent at ranged carries and support. I'm going to make sure he is played to his strengths.
2. I've got runes to support basically everything, with only real exceptions being energy and movespeed quints

So out of Nocturne, Lee Sin, Udyr, Master Yi, Warwick, Jarvan, Gangplank, and Xin Zhao, who's my best bet (I play all of these quite often and jungle well on all of them)? I KNOW Amumu is technically "it", but even with me being captain every round, he's a hard champ to get and a risky one to leave unbanned.

I've got plenty of lee way to lose elo, but he doesn't, since each set back hits harder with the coming deadline. Someone care to help me help out a friend?


#1 don't ban morde, just have you or your friend lane solo top and make sure he doesn't achieve anything.
#2 Udyr and Gangplank are the two strongest IMO.


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ztun

Senior Member

08-25-2011

there really isnt a "best" champ to carry you to gold. the best way to get there is pick champs around your team. let the stubborn A-holes pick whomever they want, then pick your champ that best fits the comp. and get WARDS.


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Omni

Senior Member

08-25-2011

I'm a strong jungle player as well, and from one strong jungler to another, it all depends on what you want to do at lvl 3 or 4. I personally think the Xin Zhao Q+E(Knock Up+Slow) initiation is much more devastating and harder to dodge than Noc's E+Q(Speed Increase+Fear). Now this is all at early game, towards late game, Xin starts to become an easy target and he's usually easy to kill with CC. While Noc gets stronger and his Ult is a lot more useful than Xin's. So again, they're both great candidates, one has a better early game while the other has a better end game.


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Be Nice Eric

Senior Member

08-25-2011

Personally I used noc, he can gank early if needed, can devastate after 6 and even carry a bit if needed. I took a long break, came back to a 1350 account, and used noc to get to 1530 - I'm currently 73% noc.


HOWEVER, more important than who i've picked was the fact that i was willing to submit to trolls and let them jungle isntead of being stubborn. Pick what your team needs but kindly ask for jungle.


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Boof Dragon

Member

08-25-2011

out of those in bold, nocturne


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liquidstardust

Senior Member

08-25-2011

nocturne if he gets fed its gg


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