(very long) Issues that Reds have answered about Tribunal

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LawGiver500

Senior Member

11-06-2011

I dont have a number just for that but if you look at #4 and #23 it basically outlines that Tribunal works like leave buster in being a system based on ratios.

Say the offender plays a few "hot" games (I.E. rages trolls, feeds, breaks the code) and gets reported. He thinks on **** im going to get suspended/banned so let me play my ult or step away from LoL. he comes back a few weeks/month later and trolls away. The way the system works he will get put in Tribunal because his games played and games reported ratio is high.

example 2 Offender plays a few "hot games" thinks i better calm down and plays without breaking the code. He will never see Tribunal because his ratio is lower then the first example.

Another example is think of your match history if you have a bad day then come back and play your last set of matches still show up until you play 10 new games.


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SheDontLookLvL18

Member

11-07-2011

The fact that riot stickied a thread created by someone on a smurf account who spends their time trolling victims of a bad system by posting links to outright lies from Red level users is sad.

inb4 blah blah blah reply, post on your main account or stfu, you have nothing to say but regurgitated lies


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LawGiver500

Senior Member

11-07-2011

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Originally Posted by SheDontLookLvL18 View Post
The fact that riot stickied a thread created by someone on a smurf account who spends their time trolling victims of a bad system by posting links to outright lies from Red level users is sad.

inb4 blah blah blah reply, post on your main account or stfu, you have nothing to say but regurgitated lies
says the rage troll on his smurf. Hate on good sir, hate on (clap)


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Bilugueiro

Junior Member

11-13-2011

The bam or suspend systen must be so baddie...
I started to work again and i ve played 2 games this week that i Won and i got suspended dunno why...
Anyone can report even the troll noob who made u lose the game.. sad sad ..


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SkeletalArm

Senior Member

11-13-2011

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Originally Posted by Bilugueiro View Post
The bam or suspend systen must be so baddie...
I started to work again and i ve played 2 games this week that i Won and i got suspended dunno why...
Anyone can report even the troll noob who made u lose the game.. sad sad ..
Sadder when people diss the Summoner's Code and claim not to have done anything.


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NecroticBinder

Senior Member

11-14-2011

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Originally Posted by Zileas View Post
You know, this would be a lot more compelling post if instead of speculating over what might happen while TRYING to get people to report you, if you instead had a case where you got banned while having good behavior. Plus, you haven't even been banned yet, and chances are, if you are otherwise being polite, you won't.

The whole reason people must first report you, and then a super-majority of your peers must vote to punish you, is to avoid abuse like you are speculating might hapen (but hasn't happened despite your best efforts).

We do see cases like yours ENTER the tribunal, but it seldom if ever gets a punish conviction. I've reviewed over 150 punished cases, and 0 were deserving of a pardon...

So what are you complaining about?
Not sure if you saw this, and the other three posts in the thread.


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NecroticBinder

Senior Member

11-16-2011

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Originally Posted by Riot Ambassador View Post
I can see how the way you've depicted the situation may be hard to believe, but your post makes a lot of assumptions about how the Riot team sees reports. We have the tools to read Tribunal reports in a concise and effective manner. All of the same evidence players can see, is visible to the team member, but also additional tools are available if for some reason a Reviewer is stuck on a particular case.

While any number of players may be reported in any given day, you have to take into account that not all of those players will make it to the Tribunal that day as it takes more than just one or two reports to be sent to the Tribunal. Since the system is designed to filter out troll reports, many of them won't ever make it to the Tribunal at all.

So, yes; there are a lot of reports, but not an overwhelming number of them that a team of trained riot specialists can't handle.




Nope, all Tribunal cases are reviewed by a Riot Team Member.





Sure, if the majority of players were all just clicking punish then the system wouldn't work. But as I've mentioned before, through our audits we've found that 1) the majority of players do not simply press punish. 2) The decisions made by players in the Tribunal are consistent with the review of cases by Riot Employees.





An audit does not have to be a difficult thing to compile. It could be as simple as computing the decisions made by players, and then comparing those decisions made by the Riot Review team. Were the results different we would be able to see that ourselves and then ask, "Why are players making completely different choices then our paid staff"? That's the purpose of the audit, but so far we've yet to run into this problem because the results are consistent.






We know what players can be like. We're playing with you. We run into the same situations, both good and bad with the community and I don't think we would ever pretend that we have the perfect situation for keeping out negative behavior in video games. It's existed well before League of Legends, and it will exist long after League of Legends. The basic problem is, how do we control other players? Because ultimately a player can make whatever choice they want in how they behave. Short of mind control there is very little we can do pre-emptively to stop a player from being a troll.

The Tribunal System is a reactive system. Players who repeatedly break the Summoner's Code are sent to the Tribunal and punished accordingly. Many decide to clean up their act, some do not and end up in the Tribunal again. Soon they're only a hop skip and a jump away from being permanently suspended from the game forever.

But there are a lot of players out there. New ones arrive every day in fact. Many are not fully aware of the rules, and many don't even realize they can face any sort of punishment for breaking them. So for as long as there will be trolls lurking in our games there will always be a place for the Tribunal in League of Legends.


RoreBAWW
Riot Ambassador
And every other quote by this man, effectively disproving every tribunal troll. Ever.


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NecroticBinder

Senior Member

11-16-2011

Ahem, double post, terribly sorry.


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LawGiver500

Senior Member

11-16-2011

np lol, i will check it out tomorrow


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Ulanopo

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11-16-2011

Awwyeah! It's time for some good, old-fashioned straight talk...

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Originally Posted by Riot Ambassador View Post
Trolling players could always try to report good players out of spite, but we've designed the Tribunal system with enough checks and balances to prevent abuses like these.

Also keep in mind that all Tribunal cases are reviewed by a Riot Employee before a final decision on the case has been made. These are just a few of the checks and balances present; we like to keep a few of the others under the hood.


RoreBAWW
Riot Ambassador
Systems in place to prevent trolling Tribunal.
Cases are reviewed by a Riot employee.

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Originally Posted by Riot Ambassador View Post
But trust me when I say this: offending players are indeed suspended from the Tribunal very frequently. Player Support gets the pleasure of going through the Suspension QQ on a daily basis.

Also, while some players would indeed just select all punish, or all pardon; but we've thought ahead about that as well. Without giving away a lot of details, the system is designed to take into account trollish actions on behalf of certain players.

RoreBAWW
Riot Ambassador
Tribunal judges are suspended frequently.
More evidence of counter-trolling and counter-punish spam systems.

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Originally Posted by Riot Ambassador View Post
Fair enough if you choose not to believe me. But I sit next to the team that does the Tribunal reviews; I see their work daily and would stand by the statement I made with no hesitation. All Tribunal cases are reviewed before the final decision is made.

Also, we do an audit of Tribunal decisions looking at what the players have decided and what the Riot Review Team decided. The two decisions are surprisingly consistent with each other. This tells us an important thing about the system: despite a minority of players not taking the Tribunal seriously this does little to provide false pardon/punishments.


RoreBAWW
Riot Ambassador
Again, all cases are reviewed.
The number of false positives is low.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Riot Ambassador View Post
I can see how the way you've depicted the situation may be hard to believe, but your post makes a lot of assumptions about how the Riot team sees reports. We have the tools to read Tribunal reports in a concise and effective manner. All of the same evidence players can see, is visible to the team member, but also additional tools are available if for some reason a Reviewer is stuck on a particular case.

While any number of players may be reported in any given day, you have to take into account that not all of those players will make it to the Tribunal that day as it takes more than just one or two reports to be sent to the Tribunal. Since the system is designed to filter out troll reports, many of them won't ever make it to the Tribunal at all.

So, yes; there are a lot of reports, but not an overwhelming number of them that a team of trained riot specialists can't handle.

Nope, all Tribunal cases are reviewed by a Riot Team Member.

Sure, if the majority of players were all just clicking punish then the system wouldn't work. But as I've mentioned before, through our audits we've found that 1) the majority of players do not simply press punish. 2) The decisions made by players in the Tribunal are consistent with the review of cases by Riot Employees.

An audit does not have to be a difficult thing to compile. It could be as simple as computing the decisions made by players, and then comparing those decisions made by the Riot Review team. Were the results different we would be able to see that ourselves and then ask, "Why are players making completely different choices then our paid staff"? That's the purpose of the audit, but so far we've yet to run into this problem because the results are consistent.

The Tribunal System is a reactive system. Players who repeatedly break the Summoner's Code are sent to the Tribunal and punished accordingly. Many decide to clean up their act, some do not and end up in the Tribunal again. Soon they're only a hop skip and a jump away from being permanently suspended from the game forever.

But there are a lot of players out there. New ones arrive every day in fact. Many are not fully aware of the rules, and many don't even realize they can face any sort of punishment for breaking them. So for as long as there will be trolls lurking in our games there will always be a place for the Tribunal in League of Legends.

RoreBAWW
Riot Ambassador
Too much awesome to condense.