Elementz 5v5 Tier List (Draft Mode)

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Computerz

Senior Member

09-14-2010

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agreed, he got all of a moderate AS buff (which he didn't NEED) and all of a sudden the uneducated masses put %of hp and %of hp together and figured out what everyone else knew all along.
Attack range increase on normal ranged attacks was big.


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m59gri

Junior Member

09-14-2010

I gotta say it's good to see Sivir finally getting moved, this was the thread everyone that said she's fine referred to.
Hopefully she gets a small buff soon, it's annoying to get dodged all the time.


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Computerz

Senior Member

09-14-2010

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I gotta say it' good to see Sivir finally getting moved, this was the thread everyone that said she's fine referred to.
Hopefully she gets a small buff soon, it's annoying to get dodged all the time.
Attack range increase and AD scaling on Q would be very very sweet.


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Uccisore

Senior Member

09-14-2010

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She's the farming queen... I dunno I seem to do well with her still im 6-0 with her right now using her in solo queue. I have a Bloodthrister or Madreds + Banshees by like 25 mins or less usually. Banshees + Spell Shield + Ulti = can't touch Sivir. Only thing holding her back from being a main carry is her range.
OK, so. NOW Sivir is two tiers lower than she was last week, and she hasn't been nerfed, and all the champs above her haven't been buffed, so what the hell?

Is this tier list just a re-statement of the meta, and what counters it?


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Slumber Jack

Player Behavior Specialist

09-14-2010

I like the section explaining character movements in your first post, El. It makes it so I don't have to hunt down posts in the 500+ pages explaining certain characters!

Nidalee I'm assuming is the same as she was before? Which I'd be ok with. She's currently the champ I've been playtesting alongside Trist.


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Nastis

Senior Member

09-14-2010

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OK, so. NOW Sivir is two tiers lower than she was last week, and she hasn't been nerfed, and all the champs above her haven't been buffed, so what the hell?

Is this tier list just a re-statement of the meta, and what counters it?
Sivir moved to tier 4 - She's really only better then other carries in a very specific kind of line up. Which is rare to see but when used can still be viable. She's a very unique pick is all and tier 2 was too high for her


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chaito

Senior Member

09-14-2010

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OK, so. NOW Sivir is two tiers lower than she was last week, and she hasn't been nerfed, and all the champs above her haven't been buffed, so what the hell?

Is this tier list just a re-statement of the meta, and what counters it?
In short: Yes.


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Slumber Jack

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09-14-2010

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Is this tier list just a re-statement of the meta, and what counters it?
That probably isn't too far off. No tier list is just "who is better than who". It's always about the meta.

Just look at Smash Bros. Tier list is changing all the time but characters NEVER change. They're static. It's just the meta that does change, and characters thrive in different metas... hence the changes in their tier lists. I remember back when Wario was third/fourth tier, had his time up in 1st tier for awhile, and then finally sat comfortably at 2nd tier. What does that? The meta.

Our meta just changes a lot faster with all of the tweaking Riot is doing.


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Uccisore

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09-14-2010

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Sivir moved to tier 4 - She's really only better then other carries in a very specific kind of line up. Which is rare to see but when used can still be viable. She's a very unique pick is all and tier 2 was too high for her
Sure, I'm sure the majority of the community will agree with that. I guess my point is, Sivir is much, much higher than Tier 4 against a team that has multiple squishes on it, because she can chew them up with her AOE auto attack.

Sivir is Tier 4 in the all tanks meta, not because she's been buffed/nerfed or needs a buff/nerf.

In turn, the all-tanks meta is perpetuated BY this tier list, in part.

The powerlevel of a champ is determined as much by the champs opponent's tend to pick as any absolute capability, and the champs people tend to pick are influenced by these lists.


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True Fire Rune

Senior Member

09-14-2010

People need to remember this tier list is the opinions of one person and his experiences, it's not a collective, or really determined by champions natural stats, so it's to be taken with a grain of salt.

Sivir having good scaling on her Q will be pretty wonderful.