Am I unfair to my jungler?

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Aesyr Cardunc

Junior Member

08-01-2011

Hi!
I have played with two friends for a while now, were having our ups and downs but enjoying the game so far.
But there is one thing that regularly bugs me to an extend that I get angry at my jungler.

We are playing something like support+carry (often me) on the lower lane and said jungler. The stuff you learn from streams as a new player. So I dont take ganks for granted but see them as a bonus since we can farm down there.
But and thats the thing bugging me if he decides to gank he does it whenever I had to leave the lane, for example afer (surviving) an enemy gank, so he gets the kills versus the low health enemies alone or with the support, leaving me as a carry behind because of the odd timing.

Am I wrong here because of being unknowingly greedy or can I keep telling him to time his ganks better, if he plans to do them? (we are communicating after all)

Thanks in advance for your help


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Demon Firebrand

Senior Member

08-01-2011

Some team communication will solve this problem that you're having. Talk to your jungler.

If you're low and so are your lane opponents, what you should really do is bait with your low health while setting up for a good gank from the jungle. Just be careful not to also die, but get that assist money!


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redeux

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08-01-2011

Well, first of all, a bad jungler can hurt a team more than a good jungler could ever help them.

But if you can't hold a lane for 6:30 then in the words of saintvicious, there's something wrong with you.

To be honest, I don't really know what you expect me to say. I main jungle and you have given me no visual of the lanes. How far are you pushing? Is mid getting owned? Is there a 1v2 on top? Things of that nature all weigh into the equation of when and where a jungler should be ganking. Is he not ganking enough period, or are you just annoyed when he comes to gank you're already too low to do much?

If you're communicating with him then set up a good gank for him. Hurt the enemy champs and let them push in so by the time he's done finishing golems or red they'll be ready for him to kill. If you're constantly pushing the lane up to their tower then it'd be stupid for you to expect him to gank, hence why I honestly can't say much. A lot of junglers need work (myself included) but a lot of lanes need work too. I've gone 5/2/5 recently as jungle jarvan and was accused by a 0/4/1 Wukong the day after his release that I was bad and lost us the game. He couldn't hold a duo lane for 3 minutes. That's on him, not me, especially considering I had a kill or assist in all but one team kill.

A lot of people are quick to point the finger at other players but I always find that there's something we can improve on. Last night I went 5/4/15 on jungle amumu and my team constantly let me down all game but when we had a glimpse of winning I messed up and we ended up losing. I'm not going to say we solely lost the game because of me (there was a 1/14/7 Brand), but I do take blame for the final teamfight that lost us the game.


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Erekai

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08-01-2011

Someone may need to correct me if I'm wrong, since I don't play a jungler, but it may depend on who your jungler is whether or not he should get the kill. For example, if Amumu is jungling, since he's a tank he's not generally considered to be a carry so him getting the kills is not typically favorable over, say, Caitlyn, Vayne, Ashe, etc. However, if your jungler is Nocturne, it might be wise to let him actually pick up the kill since he's a pretty good carry.

It's a bit situational. If it's the same person you're playing with each time, are you all normally playing the same champs, and if so, who? That might help us determine whether or not he's being greedy with the kills and he should give them to you, or not?


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Aesyr Cardunc

Junior Member

08-01-2011

You probably got me wrong the first time

My problem isnt that I cannot hold a line without ganks or that Id want more ganks, I would be fine without them at all.

The problem I am experiencing is, that IF he ganks, he does it when I am not there and since I am as new as he is, I have hard times telling him what he should do different or even if he should do it different, since although it sometimes works I feel like it might be more efficent if hed gank with me there, regardless of getting kills.

For example if both me and the enemy is at full hp, Id assume it was better if hed just show himself, perhaps force the enemy to use one of his spells to escape without anyone dieing, allowing me to farm my lane.
What hed do regularly is waiting for me to fight alone against the enemy, till we both are low and when I have to go back hed come in only if he sees a chance to get a kill from it. (That sounds alot more like him being mean than it is, its just hard for me to explain it really well)
I hope you understand me better now


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Keyru

Player Behavior Specialist

08-01-2011

Hm...that just sounds like the fault of the jungler. He should be engaging the same time as you. You rather get a kill without sacrificing one of yourself. His playstyle seems to be more focused on kill stealing but try and tell him that kills aren't everything. 13 creeps can give you the same amount of gold a kill can. He's threatening you losing your lane and giving gold to the opponent which, in the later game, might turn around and bite back.


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redeux

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08-01-2011

Yeah, I get that now, but it still depends on how far you've pushed the lane up. You can't expect a jungler to gank someone who can just juke around their tower. But assuming you haven't pushed, you're right, it's not really efficient. If he could show up before you engaged then it'd be great for him to join in. The alternative is if they're full health and you need to back, let him cover the lane. Then just make sure he doesn't push the lane out and just holds the line. When you get back he can just step away for a moment and then come back and gank them. To be honest, a lot of junglers (as in, the summoners not specific champs) have lackluster ganks but they get by because people don't buy wards. With that said, if you fought an enemy 1 on 1 and you had to back and they didn't, depending on the situation I might not wait to gank if I thought they might back after pushing the lane. Again, this just depends how often this is happening. It could also help him if he varied his jungling routes. When you first start out jungling you have one route, runes, masteries, etc and like to stick to it but I've found with many junglers you can have variations (especially on the routes) and have more freedom to help your lanes out when they need it.