Anyone tried AP Gangplank lately? (analysis)

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Warrrrax

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07-29-2011

What does everyone think about AP Gankplank nowdays? He used to be able to go AP reasonably well, but did that die when Parley became physical damage?

The arguments for AP:
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* GP rarely fights straight up in melee. Hence, AD is really only used for buffing Parley at 40g per point.

* With a lichbane, AP boosts parley at 20g per point. Plus, deathcap adds the 30% multiplier. Hence, more efficient damage boosts.

* AP is also useful for giving him huge heals. AP heal is over twice as strong typically.

* His Ult spews forth 25 cannonballs each at a 0.2 AP ratio. With smaller radius and auto-slow, most get hit by several cannonballs making it a much stronger damage spell vs a slow utility.

* AP items tend to have more useful effects overall: Rylais adds health, AP, and a slow to each parley hit and more to Ult. Rod of Ages boosts AP, mana, health very efficiently, Evil Tome adds high CDR and mana regen, and so on.

* Having more mana/mana regen allows GP to spam his abilities a lot more, which you get with AP items.

* Since GP deals both magical and physical damage, you'd start with APen runes like normal, but then not really bother with APen/MPen beyond that.


Arguments Against:
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* A tanky DPS gankplank will make more use of AD other than just parley spam.

* Critical Hit and AD combine to raise damage more efficiently than just AD stacking alone. Especially with a Inf Edge's 250% crit chance that you eventually get. It closes the efficiency gap between AD and AP by a good bit.

* Crit parleys add more of a threat and burst component which is overall better than consistent damage from high AP lichbane parley.

* AD items are more focused. Inf Edge = pure buttkicking power with no dilution. You can always get survivability as needed.

* AD can make decent use of TriForce. 150 dmg proc is still nice to have for the cost, and lichbane cannot use both.

* Parley = bread and butter. Better to focus mostly on it by boosting armor pen items which happen to be AD based. The magic dmg from ult is less important.

* lichbane takes a while to get. Until then, his Parley (after getting sheen) is going to stay constant for quite a while..least until they get Deathcap and Lichbane upgrade.


Math:
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AP GP with Lichbane (3500), Deathcap(3600), Evil Tome(2300), Rylais(3000)
100AD, 510 AP. 20% CDR, slow-on-hit. +500 health, +30 Magic resist, 8% speed, manaregen.

AD GP with Inf Edge (3800), Ghostblade(2700), TriForce(4100), BFSword(1700)
280AD, 15% CDR, +300health, +250 mana, might slow on hit, 12% speed, AS/MS clicky, Apen.

* They both have pretty good utility, though AP has high mana regen for more usage of abilities.



AP Parley = 130 +100AD +510 AP = 740 damage.
AD Parley = 130 +280AD = 410 damage @45% crit = 410 + 410x.45x1.5 = 686 (with +20apen)


Fairly lategame damage is surprisingly similar. AP Ult hits about 50-70% harder than AD, whereas melee damage is much better with AD.

They both look fairly viable. Thoughts?


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Cenerae

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07-29-2011

Mageplank works better than you'd think, and you end up surprisingly tough because your heal has a good ratio on it.

The only downside is you trade in your autoattack for a better ult. You're pretty much a Q bot in the downtime.


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doo0ooooooom

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07-29-2011

does rylai's really cause parrrley to slow? i know frozen mallet does, but i'm pretty sure rylai's doesn't.

edit: also your math is wrong on ad parley, you aren't counting triforce passive. that should add an extra ~150 damage.


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Merit133

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07-29-2011

About as appealing as AP tryn. Yeah it works. Is it optimal? No.


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Carados

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07-29-2011

Your entire premise is flawed with the third sentence being completely untrue.


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Warrrrax

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07-29-2011

Um, which third sentence? The 3rd bullet point? "the arguments for AP"?

Good catch on Triforce....I forgot to add it back.


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Carados

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07-29-2011

Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrrrax View Post
* GP rarely fights straight up in melee
This. Completely untrue. You missed the remake.


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m0gX

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07-29-2011

who gets ghost blade on GP?? more likely phantom dancer or bloodthirster, or atma's

edit: also, although your math looks appealing, you forgot the part where AP cant auto attack for **** compared to AD


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Carados

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07-29-2011

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Originally Posted by m0gX View Post
who gets ghost blade on GP?? more likely phantom dancer or bloodthirster, or atma's
You missed the remake.


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m0gX

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07-29-2011

ive still never seen ghostblade on a GP


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