How is this still alive?
Your argument is that AP Sivir is good against other people who are new to the game, or are terrible at the game also. But that entire build hinges upon landing a skill shot twice in one throw.
Yet, even in ideal circumstances for the AP build and less than ideal for the AD build, the AP will deal an order of magnitude less damage and is much less consistent.
Yes, the Guides section isn't for just the "pro" players to exchange ideas. But posting, promoting or even just letting stand a completely misleading guide so that new players and people without a grasp of the mechanics can go and screw a team, yet argue that "the guide said it works" is a complete and total injustice to the entire game community.
Stop. It isn't close to as effective, it isn't even viable. Let it die.
It is viable. I admit, my first guide sucked... though locket worked on ricochet. Yea, pain.
And got flamed like a mother****er. Can't say I didn't deserve it.
But overall, and as Captain Clash said, AP Sivir is an option, she is twice as vulnerable and has zero ways to fight back with spell shield and blade on cooldown. It is an option though; and I want to atleast make one low ELO guide, if nothing else then for consideration. Why not know that? You can pick all the time, you don't have to discriminate me for posting guides totally out of the "standards"
Hell, as QUICKSLIDE said people might come to my new threads and just downgrade me for the sake of my reputation, which nowadays is lower than zero.
Thanks for taking the time to even let me know what you think. Appreciate it
p.s need to finish the guide.
@Captain Clash - I will look into what you posted. There might be a thing or two I didn't thought about telling, will give you credits at the end of the guide. Cheers =]
That was a long writeup man and Im REALLY busy at the office today. Dont know if I will actually get to respond to everything. One thing I wanted to mention, and this highlights most on my points about Sivir:
Lichbane does NOT add its damage to ricochet bounces. It in NO way adds to physical AoE DPS.
No, Tiamat is NOT AoE DPS. Well, it is on twitch while he uses his ultimate, but thats IT.
The AoE on Tiamats is too small to be considered anywhere in the same league as Sivir. When you add in the Tiamat is a TERRIBLE item in general I think we can agree that comparing this to Sivir is, well, absurd.
Sivir does have this Unique property as no one else can do even close to the same thing. Saying Tiamat is AoE DPS like Sivir is like saying Karthuses Lay Waste Ability is AoE in comparison to crowstorm. Technically its true, but when we actually look at them, they are worlds apart.
Point being, you (and most people to be honest, dont feel bad) dont have all the information on Sivirs mechanics. IF Lichbane did carry the bonus damage over to ricochet, it would be worth testing how effective it is. Still, considering how ricochet reduces damage per bounce, I think that one decent powered ricochet every 3 seconds (not that sivir could proc it that often) really wouldnt cut it.
As to the build you mentioned, it goes back to my main issue with AP. If you take that gold, and spend it on a DPS build, you will be 10 times as powerful. If you use an Aura Build, your still WAY more powerful and you increase your teams power at least 2 fold.
Anyways Ill say it again. AP Sivir is a joke build. It is, regardless of what build you use, quite inferior to standard Sivir builds. If you REALLY want to go AP, there are plenty of champions who would be better suited to it. AP Sivir is a waste.
As to you winning with it, well, all I can say is last weekend I stomped 15 games on my smurf with Attack Damage Soraka. Does that mean shes god? No, it means I am better then the people I played against. Keep that in mind, your success with this build is most likely tied more to the skill of the players involved then the effectiveness of the build.
Just so were clear (for some reason tocak22 is still insisting this is actually a viable build):
AP Sivir is a joke build. A Pubstomp build. It is in NO way viable in a game with decent players who are trying to win. Using a build like this is simply lowering your overall effectiveness to a point where you are a detriment to your team.
If you guys (those supporting AP Sivir) get up in ranking you will see what happens. I hope you do make it because it is one of the hardest things to convince people of, but so smack you in the face obvious when it happens to you.
Lastly, I think you underetimate how many poeple come here for guides. Im recognized DAILY by people in game. People ive never heard of, seen on the forums or anything. This genre of game has a history of HUGE community participation because the game can be EXCEEDINGLY difficult without the large amount of knowledge required to make informed decisions. I also fully believe that a resource such as guides should give accurate information to those who come looking. Giving false information can only hurt the community after all. Considering how difficult teh game is, a LOT of people are turned off very early. If they decide to come get some help before quitting, try something like AP Sivir, get STOMPED (because even at low ELO, if you dont know how to play, playing a sub par build makes it REALLY hard on you) and just flat out quite.
I do what I do to keep that from happening.
@ToCak22: The best thing you can do for your forum rep right now is put a disclaimer on the guide that it is a "pubstomp" or "low ELO" or "joke build" guide, delete your crazy rage post insulting me (I will delete my quote of it so it is actually not present on the forums) and put a link to the Aura Sivir guide for people looking for a Tryhard build. Dont make any new threads and build your reputation replying to other threads with well though out questions or suggestions. After a couple weeks, everyone will frget your initial "faux pas".
EDIT: CaptClash: I just saw the pst on page 3 saying youve never tried AD Sivir. Have you tried Aura Sivir or only played AP Sivir? Seems kinda silly to me to say one type of build is viable without having played the other. Ive played pretty much every build you can possibly think of with Sivir, even some unique team specific builds ment to compliment certain champions, just to see if its better. I came to the conclusions I have after much testing AND mathcraft.
Point being, give the other builds a GOOD try before deciding whats viable. Once you see what Sivir can do with a proper build you will most likely change your mind on AP Sivir. Shes REALLY UP compared to "God Tier Aura Sivir" even if its not quite as god tier as it used to be.
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