better mage for team Fiddlesticks or Karthus?

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The Promise

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04-07-2010

Fiddle is predictable, and CC can kill him, but if you know what you are doing with his ult (don't ult until some of the CC has been thrown around, duh), it really can win you a team fight. He can't solo whole teams (Nice straw man buddy.) but come late game his ult can be game breaking in 5v5 team fights.


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Kelin

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04-07-2010

Fiddle is way better than karthus.

Not because of his crowstorm, altho it's good, but because of his silence. This game can be decided in split seconds, not getting a heal in/unable to stun/not being to flash/jump away cause of silence can win you teamfights. Fiddle is the only hero that is truly capable of silencing whole teams.

Also his fear is a great crowd control ability with low cooldown and his life drain just finishes him.

Also, fiddle is about 10 times more fun.


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Logicill

Junior Member

04-07-2010

Both have strengths and weaknesses.

Fiddle has way better CC. Both Silence & Fear

Karthus has virtually no CC. Movement speed snare


Fear is ridiculous. Getting feared gets you killed. Silence is not such a big deal unless you're running in, and get silenced, and can't kill anyone, and just die, then it sucks.

Crow bounces, like ryze's spell flux; Crow is pretty strong. But it doesn't do a whole lot of damage, and its frequency is kind of low.

Karthus' damage is much higher and more frequent than Fiddle. If you get caught out in the open trying to go toe to toe with Karthus mid to late game, and you can't outright kill him, you're going to die. And if you get close to him, he'll activate aoe and your HP will drop very fast.

Fiddle's ultimate takes a charge up time, but premeditated is very powerful. Unfortunately, with ghost and flash it is very easy to get away from Fiddle.

Karthus' ultimate also takes a charge up time, but Karthus does not have to be anywhere near you to deal damage to you. Karthus is the master at picking off wounded escapees, hands down.

Karthus' can continue to kill you after you have killed him thanks to his passive.

Fiddle's magic damage is increased by his passive, which probably means that his magic damage was balanced with his passive to make it normalized with other mages, instead of increased juxtaposed to others.

Karthus sucks up mana like a hoover vacuum, while Fiddle is a little more easily managed.

They are both very squishy, being mages. Fiddlesticks has drain life, he is easier to lane as.


The one you decide to play will depend entirely on your own play style.
Both of them are good choices. Both of them can be balanced team play members.

Fiddlesticks is easier to play. Both are powerful


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GENERAL NUTBAKED

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04-07-2010

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you really are dumb


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rasomu

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04-08-2010

I use to play Karthus, and there are many things people hasn't valued.

In team play Kharthus ultimate before a team attack makes enenmies thing twice. It's not the same attack with full life that just with half.

People fleeying in jungle can "find" a friendly wall that reduces it's armor.

You can still fighting nearly a killed Karthus and still receive his help.


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YellowSnowsicle

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04-08-2010

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I use to play Karthus, and there are many things people hasn't valued.

In team play Kharthus ultimate before a team attack makes enenmies thing twice. It's not the same attack with full life that just with half.

People fleeying in jungle can "find" a friendly wall that reduces it's armor.

You can still fighting nearly a killed Karthus and still receive his help.
You ult before a team fight, the enemy team has the option to not engage. You ult during a team fight, the enemy team can just stun you.


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Carados

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04-08-2010

Fiddles and Karthus play completely different roles, they can't be compared.

Fiddles is a nuker with a strong initiation skill and two strong disables. .

Karthus is an AP Carry.


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Kaniol

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04-08-2010

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Just something extra for people to think about.

Considering both are mages, let's say both are played by noobs
No, you don't go LB on casters. JUST NO


On topic - if you pick karthus you pick him only because of his ult and that's not good. You will probably want to go mid because of that and it is huge blow to your team as mid is usually way better in hands of dps - cause dps forces opponent to stay on mid or else he will lose tower. If you really didnt pick him because of his ult but to get burst damage - then you probably misclicked "annie" button.


Fiddle is awesomely flexible, he can go jungle if you have good 1v2 laner, he can harass the *** out of enemies in dual lane, his mass silence (although not always predictable) and fear makes huge diffirence in ganks/team battles and his ult is gamebreaking if you can ambush well, if not it can still be powerful if you sync with tank like amumu or alli. Or you can just use it when it will be disadvantageous for enemies to run from you.



But the final decision is yours - test them both and if you are playing mostly premades see which are your allies' favorite chars - if they lack CC then fiddle hands down, if not then it depends on which char you will funnier. Although i didn't encounter karth that was useful past laning phase even once.


If you want to ask "which casters are the best at certain tasks" then i'll say:
"Carry" caster & pusher = anivia
Pure DPS (and a free stun from time to time plus huge hp plus a spell that gives you awesome bonus to armor and mres so that you can buy less survivability items) = annie
Guerilla with lots of cc = fiddle


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