i have to weigh in with Dorkbrains....My Warwick stacks AS runes....38% from runes plus whatever I get from masteries...I usually start with longswod+pot although you can go with the standard cloth or even vamp scepter..
Let me tell you i have NO problems getting kills with my crazy ass attack speed. I run ignite/flash and im just as fast as a smite/? WW with different runes.... AS is king on WW..
I can guarantee AS is faster then ArP.
Btw, Dork, they can get wardens mail or Frozen heart..both of which give me a bad day lol..but by that time the games usually over as ive raped the jungle and killed dragon 3+ times. Unless your team sucks, you win.
lmao. exactly. like if i REALLY need armor pen to beat the enemy team, the the enemy team is flippin' ******ed. they are wasting a slot, if they get warden's mail or frozen heart then they are probably a tank which is who i hsould be focusing last anyway and if they aren't a tank...****...why the **** do i care? someone on my team is most definitely raping him anyway.
See now i think that the armour pen from the quintessence is just enough to negate the small golems armour and is therefore the perfect amount to hit level 2 ASAP. If i really need more then theres items you can get for it, last whisper reduces there armour by 40%, what more do you really need? And getting AS runes means you can buy one less AS item and get the damage ones faster.
Well, I was going to check all the math but seeing as I have Exams all day tomorrow I really can't be bothered, and just by looking at it, the numbers do seem to be pretty accurate. However, I still disagree that Black Cleaver is NECESSARY on Warwick. In fact, I think it's a huge mistake to even consider wasting your gold on such a horrible item to be completely honest :S. I'm really sorry to shoot it down every time you mention it but it's just not that wonderful of an item. Sure, the armor pen is amazing and the idea behind the item is pretty amazing in itself but the use of it in the game is just not near the potential of Madred's Bloodrazor. Usually, if you get your ult off on someone and you have Madred's, you're going to kill them...pretty much no doubt...for instance, with your example...you ult them to deal...579 damage, then you should be using hungering strike immediately after...level 14, should be @ level 5 strike so we'll say 300 damage...so now you've done 879 damage, dude is below 50% HP, you're faster than them, you said 4 hits until cleaver outdoes it? okay....138 * 4 = another 552 damage. so now we're at 1432 damage...and you prolly got another hungering strike in there somewhere im sure, but not like it matters...the dude is dead....with madreds only...sure, he would be dead if you only had Black Cleaver just as well, but the point of this is not to be in a 1v1 situation all the **** time. The point of this is to hurt the hell out of the enemy team and if you have madreds bloodrazor, you're not depending on attacking the guy 5 times until you have max debuff on him, you're attacking and eating his HP like it's nobodies business. Also, there is one thing Madred's has that Black Cleaver can't even touch....attack speed. By the time you've hit me 3 times, i've hit you 5 times (i believe) which means, im STILL out damaging you. Sorry.
Now that I'm done with that let me go back in time a bit here...where you dragged Wazzabi's guide into this....first of all, Wazzabi 100% supports the idea of smite, so if anyone is going against him, it's you. lol. Secondly...if you think that I don't gimp the hell out of someone when I play warwick, you're so sadly mistaken that there is no way you can see straight right now. You don't have to be in a ****ing lane to gimp someone buddy. I stay in the jungle for pretty much the entire game, THIS DOESN'T MEAN I DON'T COME OUT!?!?!!! LOL!!! Element of surprise is how you play warwick. I get level 4 after red buff, go sit in a bot lane or top lane bush, sneak behind the enemies, pop out when they are at the tower and BAM1!! DOUBLE KILL WHEN THEY ARE LEVEL 3!!! If that's not gimping, idk what is!!! Then when im done with that lane, I GO TO THE NEXT LANE!!! GG.....and if i cant get the other lane....DRAGON!!!!! Once im done with dragon....ENEMY BUFFS!!!! The jungle is your home as warwick!!! If you're not starting in it, you're doing it wrong......I'm really sorry to say it. But it's a fact. As far as the wraiths...you can kill them suckers at level 2 when you get hungering strike bro...not hard at all...kill the blue one first and it's all downhill from there.
I, dorkbrains, am not humbled.
You said my numbers looked agreeable. I am using the same Excel spreadsheet so I will refrain from including the formulas.
ASSUMPTIONS (This is hot off the presses. CHECK MY MATH PLEASE!)
Level 14 WW
30 Magic Resist
DAMAGE WITH MADREDS BLOODRAZORS
Total Damage 640.14
DAMAGE WITH MADREDS RAZORS AND BLACK CLEAVER
Total Damage 713.43
Now lets take a look at this same 5 hits, done after an ultimate (INFINITE DURESS).
DAMAGE WITH MADREDS BLOODRAZORS (REMAINS THE SAME)
Total Damage 640.14
DAMAGE WITH MADREDS RAZORS AND BLACK CLEAVER
Total Damage 955
Ironically, the difference between the two is really only attack speed. Add a recurve bow and the DPS for Black Cleaver jumps to 201 for 5 normal hits, and 269 after an Ulti.
Madreds bloodrazor is 265 gold cheaper than adding Black Cleaver. Madreds will increase your DPS more than Black Cleaver. Black Cleaver with madreds razors used after an Infinite Duress has a higher DPS than Madreds bloodrazors. I guess it just goes to your style.
I wonder what you would go to after completing bloodrazor that is stronger than adding recurve=>pickaxe=>bloodrazor to a black cleaver....
First thing. You keep going back to smite, this is not the point I was trying to make. To further clarify, I don't think smite is bad at all. I am simply trying to find a way around using it so I can get 2 CYA's. ANYWAY. We are playing the same game just at different times, that double kill you get at lvl 4, I am going for at lvl 2. Now once you get that double kill do you simply abandon all the easy minion kills you could get, just to go back to the jungle? I say no, I stay and mop up the XP and then leave once they are respawned. I can further elaborate on how you then want to push turret and get your minions killed off (to deny them the xp gain from built up minions) if you wish.
Please answer these two questions.
1. Are you playing AT (how many? premade?) or normal game?
2. Are there ever games where the 1v2 solo'er feeds?
edit 4/29: Added the Normal Damage Section!
I used to play warwick in solo queue all the time, however, recently, i pretty much only play warwick if there is a hard carry and or a nidalee on the team, this offers my team a guaranteed 2v1 solo laner and a good person to take mid over the nidalee, if I arranged team, I always play with someone who can play nidalee. obviously there have been 1v2 feeders but in all honesty I have more issues with my 2v2 lanes than i ever do with a 2v1er because it's not as hard as people think it is. tower hug. By level 4 which is in only about 4 or 5 minutes, I can go gank the top lane because i have red and blue buff. I guarantee you that you're not double killing or even getting close to a kill at level 2 with no red buff. Unless of course you're playing against people that just got the game. Anyone at a decent level of this game knows that warwick is possible the worst laner in the game and that if they just autoattack you, you'll die. Every time I've seen a Warwick in a lane, i've told my team "just harass the living hell out of him, make him use hungering strike until he has no mana, and then kill him, you should have first blood by the time he's level 2"
1 level later, he's dead.
this is why i refuse to even dare to vouch your idea of ever being in a lane, whether it be for 1 level or 2. if you so indeedly insist on not using smite, and you insist on being level 3 before you kill buffs, or whatever you do....then kill the mini creeps first, the 2 golems give you a level at level 1, then go get the wolves, if it's another golem camp, awesome, you're nearly level 3 now. go kill buffs. no matter what, staying in the jungle is faster than hybriding a lane/jungle idea, it's foolish, and prolly gets you killed or will get you killed more than jungling has.
and after that last comment, i expect you'll ask me how many times i've been ganked at the beginning.
Attempts: Too many to count.
Successful Ganks: 27.
Total games as Warwick: 358.
7% is pretty **** good in my book.
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