Instead of Reducing Attack Speed Frozen Heart Now-

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Rebonack

Senior Member

01-28-2014

Reduces physical damage from champions by 20%.

Right now itemization against non-auto attack physical damage is pretty lacking assuming people know what Whisper and Cleaver do.


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AntiSkillshot

Senior Member

01-28-2014

And, as a result. Only Omen is Vayne's counter.

No thanks.


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iMasterBaiter

Senior Member

01-28-2014

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Originally Posted by AntiSkillshot View Post
And, as a result. Only Omen is Vayne's counter.

No thanks.
or you could blow up vayne... that works too


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AntiSkillshot

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01-28-2014

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or you could blow up vayne... that works too
Ever played against a good Vayne?
Simply saying "Blow her up" is easier said than done against a good Vayne.


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Khristophoros

The Council

01-28-2014

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Ever played against a good Vayne?
Simply saying "Blow her up" is easier said than done against a good Vayne.
It's the right answer. You can't tank her very long no matter which items you have. And yeah it's not supposed to be easy. Isn't a champion supposed to be challenging to beat when the player is good?


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AntiSkillshot

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01-28-2014

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It's the right answer. You can't tank her very long no matter which items you have. And yeah it's not supposed to be easy. Isn't a champion supposed to be challenging to beat when the player is good?
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Touche.
Still, it's not all that simple.


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Farranor

Senior Member

01-28-2014

Right now, FH counters not only AD/crit/AS stackers, but also on-hit damage sources, like Vayne's W, Yi's E, and Teemo. I think we need to be careful with things that behave exactly like armor (reduce physical damage by a %), but aren't called "armor" and therefore aren't subject to armor balance. I don't think FH needs that change.


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EckHearT Geminus

Senior Member

01-28-2014

How stupid can people get?


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Rebonack

Senior Member

01-28-2014

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Originally Posted by Farranor View Post
Right now, FH counters not only AD/crit/AS stackers, but also on-hit damage sources, like Vayne's W, Yi's E, and Teemo. I think we need to be careful with things that behave exactly like armor (reduce physical damage by a %), but aren't called "armor" and therefore aren't subject to armor balance. I don't think FH needs that change.
Actually, FH doesn't counter Yi due to CANTBESLOWEDCANTBESLOWEDCANTBESLOWED. His Ult cuts through the passives on Omen and Heart.

FH is widely considered a lack-luster item. It seems to me that it would be wise to distance its intended purpose from Omen. Omen is the anti-auto attack, anti-kite item without question. FH is... doing the same thing. Just not quite as well. It redundant. So why not shift it a bit to cover itemization needs that aren't currently being met?


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Farranor

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01-29-2014

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Actually, FH doesn't counter Yi due to CANTBESLOWEDCANTBESLOWEDCANTBESLOWED. His Ult cuts through the passives on Omen and Heart.

FH is widely considered a lack-luster item. It seems to me that it would be wise to distance its intended purpose from Omen. Omen is the anti-auto attack, anti-kite item without question. FH is... doing the same thing. Just not quite as well. It redundant. So why not shift it a bit to cover itemization needs that aren't currently being met?
I guess that's Yi during ult, Olaf during ult, and anyone with Black Shield on them. I still think the current passive is more useful.


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