CLG's Statement Regarding the Dreamhack Qualifier Changes

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Rackloy

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05-28-2011

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Originally Posted by Exsnypre View Post
You again fail to realize the goal of the match-fixing was to maximize the chance of both TSM and EG making it to Dreamhack. Riot made it easier for them. That's why lots of us are upset on top of the fact CLG is forced to play a harder opponent when they deserved and earned the right to face the #8 seed since they are #1. Listen to all of Riot's BS you want, Riot supported TSM and EG by making their goals easier and harmed CLG's chances (however much it doesn't matter) in doing so.
When EG loses to CLG, the change will actually hurt its chances as it will (assuming higher seeded team wins on first round) now play against #5 in the loser bracket, instead of playing against #6 if the brackets remained as they were, EG losing to TSM.
EG would only benefit from the switch if they win CLG.

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Originally Posted by iMelon View Post
You obviously don't know anything about the competitive LoL scene, do you? Team WHALE, the 8 seed, is essentially a free win. Though they qualified from earlier events, etc., they are not nearly as competitive as they top 5 teams in this qualifier, which are CLG, TSM, RS, OGB, and EG. The winner of RS/OGB plays the winner of CLG/EG, essentially giving CLG two very good teams in a row to play. And TSM? TSM gets a free win in the first round and probably an easier team in the second round.
The condition of the qualifying team doesn't matter. They are seeded and rated according to their performance throughout Season 1 Circuit. Whale could be a 5-man team with each player below 1000 elo, but they'd still be treated as the #8 seeding team, whose difference to #7 team is 5 points. No matter how large their current skillcap would be, they are judged and seeded by their Circuit 1 performance, not based on their current level of play.
Sucks for CLG if EG is so much better than Whale, as many of you argue, but it doesnt change the fact that according to the ranking, the referees' decision was fair and the damage done miniscule.


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Tyriol4Anacy

Junior Member

05-28-2011

in my opinion EG and TSM like the switch cause the dinh´s.
EG should be so much stronger then Whale on paper that it could be possible to win against TSM or CLG!
Now against CLG and the brothers have no problems until they play against each other in the finals or something...


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MK 47

Senior Member

05-28-2011

Just call of the **** competition and stop whining and crying...you will never know the truth cause everyone tells his own side of the story!!!


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Tyriol4Anacy

Junior Member

05-28-2011

If nobody knows the real storys why switch the seedings? Why should riot do anything if they dont no the truth?


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EbonyKnife

Senior Member

05-28-2011

Yea upon further thought, theoretically, match fixing could be unfair for other teams.

Lets just assume for the sake of argument that the team skill order is something like.

1. EG
2. CLG
3. RS
4. TSM

In theory, and i stress, this is theory. Every higher skilled team wins to a lower skilled team.

Now if the games played out as they did in the original seeding, TSM would get kicked out, and 1, 2, and 3 would make it to dreamhack, as it should be.

If TSM and EG matchfixed, TSM would get free ride to dreamhack, RS would get kicked out in the lower bracket by EG, and teams 1, 2, and 4 would make it to dreamhack.

Food for thought, i don't think they matchfixed anyway, and theres barely any real evidence to prove it. But basically it CAN negatively effect other teams in the tournament and affect the integrity of the qualifiers as a whole.


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tinkoh

Senior Member

05-28-2011

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Originally Posted by EbonyKnife View Post
1. EG
1. CLG
3. RS
4. TSM
I see two 1s.


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Valentiin

Senior Member

05-28-2011

There is no justification for this. Nothing reasonable anyway. Everyone at Dreamhack is laughing at this change right now and the fact that Riot is missing the ENTIRE point of the thread is sad.

1) You don't change seeding on speculation. You leave it alone and remind the teams that cheating/ghosting/intentionally throwing the game will not be tolerated. I'm pretty sure everyone will get the memo.
2) If they do throw the game, so what? We don't want a cheating set of teams at Dreamhack anyway.
3) Most importantly, no one and nothing was ever specifically mentioned in Marcou's response. WTF? If you are changing the rules, you better have an extremely clearly defined reason for doing it. Shadowing the reasons in vague language makes you look like an ass, sir, not a well-coordinated tournament official. We can all handle the fact that your initial way of determining Dreamhack qualifiers ended up not working, but you can't change the rules on the teams right when you have it laid down without EXTREMELY specific evidence for doing so. If you have the evidence, present it. If not, don't make the change. Simple.


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xWindow Lickerx

Senior Member

05-28-2011

Lets get to the point Marcou is an idiot you changed brackets because of a say so this or that who cares if they knock each other off in the first round! Omg not that someone threw a game ok... Well let it be, that's there problem your ignorance is clear and your inexperience is clear as well. If you can't prove anything then it's illogical to change brackets around. You have no solid argument besides well we think this or that. Tell me what advantage they gain if a first round game is thrown?


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Tulips

Senior Member

05-28-2011

“No sensible decision can be made any longer without taking into account not only the world as it is, but the world as it will be..”


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GoldanSilver

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05-28-2011

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Originally Posted by Rackloy View Post
When EG loses to CLG, the change will actually hurt its chances as it will (assuming higher seeded team wins on first round) now play against #5 in the loser bracket, instead of playing against #6 if the brackets remained as they were, EG losing to TSM.
EG would only benefit from the switch if they win CLG.



The condition of the qualifying team doesn't matter. They are seeded and rated according to their performance throughout Season 1 Circuit. Whale could be a 5-man team with each player below 1000 elo, but they'd still be treated as the #8 seeding team, whose difference to #7 team is 5 points. No matter how large their current skillcap would be, they are judged and seeded by their Circuit 1 performance, not based on their current level of play.
Sucks for CLG if EG is so much better than Whale, as many of you argue, but it doesnt change the fact that according to the ranking, the referees' decision was fair and the damage done miniscule.
You are missing the whole point again.

Be it 5 points or emense skillcap does not matter in the lsightest. If CLG had been told that they would fight EG from day one, cus EG had a higher(or lower, however you look at it) seed, then this would not be the point. What if it were all changed in a way that gave TSM a better seed(cus they were suspected of cheating) and gave CLG a worse. Be it "thechincally" a 5 point seed ot a 400 point seed doesnt even matter.

Hey mom I just won this tropy at shool.
No they just called, they randomly gave it to the guy in second place cus he was suspected of conspiering to cheat.
The fact that EG is "seed 3 or 4" does not matter. It is still favoritism to give TSM seed 1 WHEN THEY DID NOT EARN IT; EVER.