Sivir is not good mid

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PackMan97

Senior Member

03-16-2010

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Originally Posted by Blindshot000 View Post
#2 - She will farm huge amount of gold and be able to stack auras that will help your entire team push faster.
This. Having a Sivir with an aura item or two come team fight phase is a HUGE HUGE edge.


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Slide

Senior Member

03-16-2010

You also have to factor in that Sivir offers NOTHING to a side lane except for push. She has no slow, she has no stun, she has no escape move and no initiating move. On top of all that, if a good Sivir is in a side lane, her lanemate is going to have a hell of a time farming gold (one of the many reasons Alistar + Sivir side lane works).

So looking at it from the other side, Sivir is one of the worst characters to be in a dual lane.

The reasons you want her mid is as follows:

Getting Sivir over leveled is priority number 1. Her Ult, while you for some reason dislike it, is an INCREDIBLE team buff. Add in Starks and we have one hell of a teamwide attack speed, lifesteal and health regen buff. Despite what you think, even casters benefit from this. I have yet to see a caster that doesnt autoattack. Why give up free damage? More importantly, 40% of AP is calculated into attacks against towers. Those wimpy autoattacks are pretty devastating. Especially when they get a free recurve bow out of nowhere.

There is also the pushing factor. A well played Sivir will push mid faster then any other champion. This frees her up to help push top and bottoms first towers. This gives your team a nice gold bonus. Killing a champ gives you 300 gold. Killing a tower gives your team 500 gold. True there are less oportunities for tower kills, but getting them and getting them early can give your team that extra boost they need to really kick face in under your auras.

We also must take into account Sivirs squishiness. In a side lane, a single spellshield and her dodge is not going to save her from the enemy. However, in mid, the tools she has available make her incredibly hard to kill.

Lastly we must take into aco**** how difficult it is to lane against Sivir. Yes Zilean has an easier time then most and he is a GREAT mid choice (someone laughed at it earlier and I think they are dumb, Zil is great solo mid, not best, but great) and if these sivirs you have no problem with would level spellshield in higher priority, things would be much more difficult for you. Regardless, a LOT of champions have a difficult time even farming against Sivir in mid. Just another reason shes a great mid.

In any case it basically comes down to the fact that there are more reasons then rushing to ult to go mid. Sivir has pretty much all the reasons (rush to ult helpful, overleveled helpful, bad in side lane, hard to lane against in mid, safe in mid, mega farm in mid, hard push in mid) you would want to have a champion mid. While some others may have one or two catagories with higher priority (ash rushing to ult and being overleveled, Karthus safety in mid rush to ult and hard top lane agianst, etc) then sivirs would be, Sivir has every one of the reasons to go mid.

Hope that explains it!


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wildfire393

Senior Member

03-16-2010

Why is Sivir a good mid? Let's see:

1) Boomerang Blade. Though it's easy to dodge if you telegraph it, it can be used for long-ranged farming, harassing, and securing kills. Trying to b with Sivir as your lane opponent likely means you're eating another quarter of your whole lifebar, meaning that in order to b safely they have to leave earlier, or they have to go further back (which can make them a target for your jungler) if you knock them down to a quarter

2) Ricochet. If they're soaking up or dodging your Boomerang Blade, this can add another level of harassment. Depending on how fast you level it, you have a very solid chance of hitting them with the bounces. This can lay on the damage very quickly on anyone who thinks that they're safe farming as long as they dodge/block your Boomerang blade (Udyr, Mordekaiser, etc). This works better in mid than in a side lane as they can't hang out in the grass to avoid it and you don't end up losing harassment to bounces to the other guy.

3) Spell Shield. Against opposing mids who normally excel in long-range harassment of their own (Teemo, Ashe, Tristiana, Annie, Cho, etc), Spell Shield turns this against them. It's very easy to predict and counter opposing harassment, especially the slower moving ones (so you can get them in midair, avoiding the bait to waste your mana). If you're playing against multiple opponents, it's a lot harder to block enough spells to make a difference, as you're facing down potentially twice as many spells (or they can just target your lanemate and make him pay).

4) Ult. With this and possibly a rally, you can take down a tower with a single wave of minions. This means that if you can ever kill or force out the enemy mid, you generally get the tower. This is better in mid than in a side lane since you only need to force out one.


The only really compelling reason to go in a side lane is for the doubled up tower punishment. Paired with a physically-attacking tank or carry, I've taken the second tower by 10 minutes, but it takes an incompetent enemy team to let you do that.


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Eviant

Senior Member

03-16-2010

Someone in Mid should be someone who can farm effecively. Siv can do that. Reason it's important is, in the early game, Minions can do quite a bit of damage to an enemy champion. By prioritzing your minions to the enemy champion, you take control of the neutral territory and force the enemy champion to take a shot at you, or hide by their tower. Either way, you get a shot at their life, or at their tower. Just keep an eye out for Gank attempts from the side lanes.


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VespaVictim

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03-16-2010

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Originally Posted by QUICKSLIDE View Post
Yes Zilean has an easier time then most and he is a GREAT mid choice (someone laughed at it earlier and I think they are dumb, Zil is great solo mid, not best, but great)
I never understood why Zilean would be considered a great mid (Potentially good)

Bomb Harass range? Well sure he can harass well with bombs, but he can do it well anywhere. Keeping it in a dual lane improves the amount of damage and generally keeps the two opposing champions far enough apart (For fear of getting caught in the bomb explosion) to where one can be slowed down and then subsequently torn to shreds by your lanemate.

Experience boost? Well he'll certainly level up faster with the boosts plus mid lane, but his ult requires everyone be at that team fighting stage for it to be useful, unless he's using it on himself.

The only thing I could possibly think of is being able to level up the bombs more quickly before people have levels of Magic Resist coupled with the large bomb planting range, and even then, I've always thought of Zilean as a support character, not a solo-mid character who turns into a ganker with bombs.


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