AP Udyr

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Qbr12

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05-11-2011

Why don't I ever see it? It looks like a similar version of AP Sion.

They both have a shield. Udyr's is only a .5 ratio but his has a 6 second CD, unlike Sion who's doesn't start until the shield breaks and even then is still 8 seconds.

They both have a stun but Udyr's can proc on EVERY champion on the enemy team. AND, it also has a lower CD (6 seconds between re-stuns).

They both have AoE damage but Udyr's is a .75 ratio with an extra .25 added every 3 auto-attacks meaning his can do more than a 1:1 ratio (plus Udyr gains AP from changing to phoenix so it technically deals a bit more than that ratio of your AP).

They both also have an AD steroid (Udyr's comes from phoenix) and an attack speed steroid (Udyr's comes from tiger) and a lifesteal steroid (udyr's comes from turtle).

In fact, AP Udyr seems to excel at everything AP Sion does, and Udyr even does it better.

So to get to the point, why don't I ever see any AP Udyrs out on the fields of justice?


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IdleAltruism

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05-11-2011

Sion is crazy burst damage with a ranged stun. He's also naturally tankier thanks to his E. Sion also has two nukes all game (a third when you pick up Lichbane), whereas AP Udyr only has 1 (two if you pick up Lichbane).

Udyr is relatively squishy without a fair amount of tankiness mid-game, so he'll contribute a lot less during that time of the game. He also must be in the thick of things, literally, to do any damage, whereas Sion has a lot of range with his shield and stun, in comparison.

Overall, AP Udyr would more likely be a shield spammer, with max CDR and really buff shields and defense (basically tanky AP with items like Glacier Shroud/Abyssal). So I doubt a comparison between him and Sion is a valid one. He'd be more of a tanky mage that's there for on demand stuns opposed to the massive burst of AP Sion.


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VoidBro

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05-12-2011

Because it sucks balls.


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zxlkcf

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05-12-2011

Udyr's shield has a low AP ratio, AND it stacks with your armor/MR.

Udyr's Phoenix is weak due to the fact it has literally the smallest AOE in the world, and only manages to do continual damage if your enemy decides to 1v1 you. Which they will. And they'll win.

Udyr benefits from buying AD/tank items due to the fact that Tiger is a crazy steroid every 3 seconds, and Bear allows you to stun anyone and everyone, along with the fact its a crazy movespeed buff.


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zxlkcf

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05-12-2011

Oh, and Bear allows you to stun around once or twice within a 6 second period; using it again allows you to stun the same target.

Thats what happened around 3 patches ago...