Either buff gragas or nerf him like GP.

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messymike

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05-02-2011

gp is good now........... just without his deny people qq cause they cant tower hug as much


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05-02-2011

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Originally Posted by TheMountainGoat View Post
this is only because he has sion syndrome. he's only good when you abuse his ap ratios, and it makes him a 1trick pony. he has one burst combo, then he has to gtfo before he dies, and he can't do anything else because most of his burst is from his ult with a fairly long CD.

all the time while he's doing this, he isn't' actually any good at what his kit was designed to do, which is tanking.

they either need to convert him into a real caster, or admit that he's a big mess right now. they seem reluctant to do either. phreak insists that gragas is still good. he's good in the sense that sion is good. you get one remarkably cheap overeffective burst combo with a kit that clearly suggests that you are supposed to be doing something completely different, only because of his AP ratios can be abused.

it distracts from gragas' (and sion) real problems, and nothing ever gets done, because he can still be played if you use him in an unintended way. why bother actually fixing him and making him a legitimate champ when you can simply cheese your way to victory with him in a broken state?
This is an absolutely legit post - although I wouldn't say Gragas is meant to be a tank, per se. He feels like he should be more of a hybrid bruiser to me. But right now he plays like a squishy mage.

He probably shares some of Nidalee's problems, too, in that the whole sustain/poke/kite kit all being in one place tends to make the hero underpowered in team fights to compensate. Dunno.


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Mageganker

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05-02-2011

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This is an absolutely legit post - although I wouldn't say Gragas is meant to be a tank, per se.
When all yo recommended items are tank items, you were meant to be a tank.

The guy who said Gragas is only good if you abuse his AP ratios hit the nail on the head so hard it blew up teh forum.


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Sancerre

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05-02-2011

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with max cdr his ult gets down to like 46 seconds or so, pretty short. i do agree that he is kinda forced to be AP, but really? his kit promotes tanking? i thought it promoted tanky caster like fiddles and swain, and kassadin to a small degree
this... and honestly you dont need anything more than deathcap and lichbane on gragas to be effective AP damage. that leaves 3 items for tanking (after boots). gragas is an AP off-tank.

theres always the 'ignorable' problem if you just dont build any AP damage at all. that applies to a lot of other bursty-ish tanky AP characters as well... like malphite and cho'gath.

of course just being a giant wall of defense is sometimes what your team wants/needs, but i dont think gragas has the proper utility to warrant a full tank build like cho'gath does.


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D3m0nCh1ck3n

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05-02-2011

i played him tank and got full stack of leviathan purely off assists got 70% damage reduction off armor and mr,

26% from drunken rage,

4% mastery,

15% leviathan

thats 115% damage reduction w/o ArP and MP which makes him an amazing tank and you dont have to wait for a cd like ali's ulti to get that much


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SeiKz

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05-02-2011

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i played him tank and got full stack of leviathan purely off assists got 70% damage reduction off armor and mr,

26% from drunken rage,

4% mastery,

15% leviathan

thats 115% damage reduction w/o ArP and MP which makes him an amazing tank and you dont have to wait for a cd like ali's ulti to get that much
lol?!

Drunken rage only gives 18% damage reduction at level 5.


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Nystrum

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05-02-2011

Stop going pure tank OP and you'll realize gragas is still overpowered


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doritolord

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05-02-2011

he is fine where he is...


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