Either buff gragas or nerf him like GP.

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R1shal

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05-02-2011

Hes like this gray area, where he is absolutely awful but people will still play him occasionally.

Buff areas??

Make Drunken rage (w) an instant cast... nothing worse than having to wait 2 secs before running into fight.

Make Body slam (e) scale less with more enemies.


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TheMountainGoat

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05-02-2011

neither one of those are gragas' problem areas.


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shawabawa

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05-02-2011

He was played (and carried) in fnatic vs SK in go4lol.

He's still a decent pick. I think he is a little underpowered, but if he's still being played in competitive games they can't really buff him without risking him becoming OP.


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Lavosking

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05-02-2011

he's underplayed. a good gragas player can still win team fights, but thats not to say he couldn't use a buff or two just nothing serious or over the top


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the opposition

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05-02-2011

I love Gragas. I think he's fine. It's hilarious when a Teemo at half health gets cocky and you pretty much explode him with your Barrel Roll and Explosive Cask. Too many lols.


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dyl

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05-02-2011

He either needs to be reworked because he's impossible to buff without turning OP, or Riot just knuckle down and have his Q buffed a little bit (the last nerf was pretty unnecessary).


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TheMountainGoat

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05-02-2011

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Originally Posted by Lavosking View Post
he's underplayed. a good gragas player can still win team fights, but thats not to say he couldn't use a buff or two just nothing serious or over the top
this is only because he has sion syndrome. he's only good when you abuse his ap ratios, and it makes him a 1trick pony. he has one burst combo, then he has to gtfo before he dies, and he can't do anything else because most of his burst is from his ult with a fairly long CD.

all the time while he's doing this, he isn't' actually any good at what his kit was designed to do, which is tanking.

they either need to convert him into a real caster, or admit that he's a big mess right now. they seem reluctant to do either. phreak insists that gragas is still good. he's good in the sense that sion is good. you get one remarkably cheap overeffective burst combo with a kit that clearly suggests that you are supposed to be doing something completely different, only because of his AP ratios can be abused.

it distracts from gragas' (and sion) real problems, and nothing ever gets done, because he can still be played if you use him in an unintended way. why bother actually fixing him and making him a legitimate champ when you can simply cheese your way to victory with him in a broken state?


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Algia

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05-02-2011

W is such a horrible move


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Mystifi

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05-02-2011

whats a gragas?


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pseudoskill

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05-02-2011

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this is only because he has sion syndrome. he's only good when you abuse his ap ratios, and it makes him a 1trick pony. he has one burst combo, then he has to gtfo before he dies, and he can't do anything else because most of his burst is from his ult with a fairly long CD.

all the time while he's doing this, he isn't' actually any good at what his kit was designed to do, which is tanking.
with max cdr his ult gets down to like 46 seconds or so, pretty short. i do agree that he is kinda forced to be AP, but really? his kit promotes tanking? i thought it promoted tanky caster like fiddles and swain, and kassadin to a small degree


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