Malzahar VS Karthus

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Carados

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02-21-2011

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Being able to sustain damage doesn't make a champion a carry. Where are you coming up with this? So Mundo is a carry now? All his damage can be sustained too.
Yes.

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What does a carry do? CARRY THE TEAM.
Therefore Zilean is a carry, Rammus is a carry, and Soraka is a carry. As is, they can all carry a team.

Got it.


A role is what you do. Sustained damage is a role, as is burst damage.

"Scaling" isn't a thing you can actively do.

Saying a carry is a champion that scales late game doesn't tell you what they do. Akali does burst damage late game, Sivir does sustained damage late game, Zilean is the best support late game, therefore they're all the same role and do exactly the same thing!

A role is what you do.


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TokenFroKid

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02-21-2011

A distinction was made between the two and I think the distinction was wrong. Someone stated that karthus is sustained damage while malzahar is burst damage.

It seems that malzahar, with his 3 damage of time skills, is not as "bursty" as other true burst casters; by definition damage over time = sustained dps., and NOT burst. Karthus also is mainly damage over time, he has a low CD damage spell, and an AoE damage over time. I think the two are VERY comparable.

I personally like malzahar better. I feel like his lane dominance and his ability to kill single targets is superior. But hey, that's an opinion. Don't flame just 'cause you disagree.


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Carados

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02-21-2011

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It seems that malzahar, with his 3 damage of time skills, is not as "bursty" as other true burst casters; by definition damage over time = sustained dps., and NOT burst. Karthus also is mainly damage over time, he has a low CD damage spell, and an AoE damage over time. I think the two are VERY comparable.
The problem is Mal'zahar's primary damage source is ulting someone with his DoT over his Null Zone, which can't be sustained over a fight. Once you do it, you're done.

DoT=/= sustained damage.

Karthus' primary source of damage are Lay Waste and Define, which can last all day.


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Tha Dynamite

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02-21-2011

...you think Mundo is a carry...

I'm done talking to you.

You're just ******ed.


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Carados

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02-21-2011

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...you think Mundo is a carry..
Mundo is a melee carry, just like Nasus, Olaf, Garen, Xin Zhao, and Irelia.

What do you think he is?'

They all do the same exact thing in team fights, therefore same role.

Just because Irelia scales better then Mundo doesn't mean that they're suddenly a different play style.


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TooStronkadonk

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02-21-2011

Mundo is a carry....
Warmogs/atmas with his E and you'll be hitting upwards of 900s.

this kid has no understanding of game theory xD


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Tha Dynamite

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02-21-2011

Nunu can do the same. He must be a carry too.


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Carados

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02-21-2011

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Nunu can do the same. He must be a carry too.
Nunu, Intitator, Support, Disabler.

Low damage output, no steroids, and so on.


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Tha Dynamite

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02-21-2011

...no steroids...? ...initiator...?

Once a ****ing gain, I'm done talking to you.


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TooStronkadonk

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02-21-2011

Yeah. ignore nunu's amazing ratios, do a gimmicky build that barely works.

I actually play Karthus, and I'll testify that he is definitely a carry...