[Discussion] AP Versus Attack Damage on Katarina

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wildfire393

Senior Member

01-14-2010

I've been playing with Katarina a bit recently, and I'm not sure which route to go. Here's the stats as far as I can tell:

Attack Damage:
Affects Bouncing Blade 1:1
Affects Ult .55:1
Affects basic attack damage 1:1 (though this is fairly moot, with her terrible attack speed and attack speed items being similarly terrible on her, you only ever get off maybe one attack after a shunpo)
B.F. Sword provides Ult damage at a cost of ~67 g/damage
Bloodthirster (assuming fully charged) provides Ult damage at a cost of ~58 g/damage
Bloodthirsters mean you have to go back to base less, as you can melee some minions/jungle creeps to regain hp
You start with Physical damage, about 50 at level one and about 100 at level 18. This means you need between 80-160 (depending on level) AP before it starts actually applying to your Ult over your damage.

AP:
Affects Shunpo .75:1
Affects Ult .35:1
Affects Lichbane Procs 1:1 (as stated, you tend to only melee someone immediately after a shunpo, so this actually helps considerably)
Blasting Wand Provides ult damage at a cost of 61 g/damage
Mejai's provides up to 77 Ult damage fully charged, the highest from any single item, and at a very low cost.
Rylai's provides HP and a slow applied to the Ult (and bouncing blade and shunpo) in addition to damage
Void Staff and Abyssal Scepter reduce the enemy MR in addition to damage.

My Conclusions:
It is a lot easier and cheaper to stack AP if you're good with getting kills/assists and not dying (for Mejai's Stacks).
However, you will have to B more often, as you cannot lifesteal from basic attacks.
Having slows can help your allies considerably, while increasing your ult damage by keeping them in it longer, pointing in favor of AP.
It is theoretically possible to get more damage from Attack power (~600 Attack damage with 5 blood thirsters translates into +330 per dagger, while ~687 AP from a fully stacked Mejai's, Rylai's, Zhonya's, Abyssal, and Lich Bane deals only +240 per dagger), and while it is only slightly more expensive (16000g v 14195g), you have to buy all of your damage in 1850 or 1350 g chunks, while the AP build can put stuff together for a lot cheaper.


What are the thoughts out there? This is of course for low to mid ELO builds only, as at high levels Katarina gets shut down by the overprevalent crowd control.


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Purutzil

Senior Member

01-14-2010

AD wins easily. Why you ask?

With AP you only have Shunpo and your Ult to do most your damage. You won't be able to do to much damage with the dagger skill.

Now what makes it worst is the fact that her ult is so easy to counter. Once countered if your AP you pretty much lost the fight. Without it you become near useless as Shunpo isn't able to make up the damage that AD kat can do with Dagger and auto attack (which with Shunpo your able to get atleast one melee hit off).

Bouncing Blade works so well at harrassing and causing damage when it comes to team fights when your ult is down. Its a nice added aoe that contributes greatly in team fights specially if used with Killer Instincts, effectively cutting off the enemy team heal aiding greatly for team fights specially involving support heroes.

Pretty much Autoattack just fills in so much damage that it makes up for AP greatly. The only real benefit AP gives over Damage is that you will have more potential to get added HP due to caster items having bonuses to health. But really is it worth a crunch on your damage output? As a AD kat your going to invest in tankish items on the side and effectively be able to do damage while getting more defensive stats at the same time which AP will lack in order to be profficient with damage.


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HotsauceShoTYME

Senior Member

01-14-2010

AP blows and is worthless.


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Zephyrmist

Junior Member

01-14-2010

Attack Damage does much more than AP. Your usually not going to kill a champion after you pop your ulti if they are at full health and after you use your ulti you won't be able to do anything after your ulti is on cooldown after a team fight.


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AIM7Sparrow

Senior Member

01-14-2010

People need to stop comparing AP/Gold and Damage/Gold ratio's. Yes, AP/Gold gives the better ratio but Katarina has her own base attack power! Spending less money on 2 blasting wands instead of a BF sword, as your first death lotus upgrade is COMPLETELY useless. death lotus will still use your attack power as it's modifier because your base attack damage bumps your 55% attack contribution over the 35% AP contribution.