Champion Tiers

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JunkRamen

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01-13-2010

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Making tier lists is very hard. Your list in inaccurate, but there are some champions that just don't work well against specific lineups, but completely stomp others(example: Yi) then there are heroes that are universally useful against anything but not particularly exceptional against others (example: CM)

How do you class those?
There's characters in fighting games that do well against some characters but terribly against others. If the characters they do poorly against are common, those characters end up being bad. Example: Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo E. Honda. He crushes anybody that doesn't have a fireball, but loses to anybody that does. Since the top tier in that game is largely dominated by projectile characters (Sagat, Ryu), E. Honda is pretty low on the tier list.

Some characters in fighting games are high in tier lists just because they deal well with the high tier. Example: Tekken 4 Steve. He was only good because he was the only characcter who had a decent match-up against the undisputed top tier (Jin). Aside from that he was average on all accounts.

If for some reason disablers become garbage in the near future, Yi will probably be very strong. Until then, he's mid tier at best.


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EastJesus

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01-13-2010

Top-Tier
Annie
Sivir
Nunu
Alistar
Tristana
Twitch
Corki
Kayle

High-Tier
Anivia
Chogath
Gangplank
Katarina
Malphite
Nasus
Singed
Shaco
Rammus
Blitzcrank
Fiddlesticks
Taric
Nidalee
Teemo
Twisted Fate

Mid-Tier
Ashe
Jax
Karthus
Master Yi
Morgana
Ryze
Sion
Veigar
Udyr
Soraka
Dr. Mundo

Bottom-Tier
Zilean
Janna
Warwick
Heimerdinger

This was as of last patch its changed a little bit since then.


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zastrozzi

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01-13-2010

Here is a strange nomination for Top Tier: Sion.

Not because he is particularly strong, but simply because he is a swiss army knife. I can't think of a champion that completely counters him. If he is fighting someone with a blind (ex. Teemo), he can go AP. If he is fighting someone with a silence, he can go physical. His ultimate means he is good at pushing and decent in the jungle, his shield means he is hard to harass as well as an excellent AoE, Enrage gives him good Physical damage as well as reducing the amount of HP he has to stack, and Cryptic Gaze is a single target stun.

In fact, due to Cryptic Gaze, Sion shuts down a lot of channel-focused champs like Nunu, Katarina, or Fiddle. On the other hand, nothing really shuts him down. Unlike Master Yi, Sion can operate in any team configuration against any team configuration with minimal loss of efficiency.

He is the only character that I can think of that can push, DPS both damage types, tank, and disable to handle whatever the opposing team is weak against. Hell, I ran a game being a support monkey with an Executioner's Calling, Aegis of the Legion, and Stark's Calling. My job in team fights was shutting down a life-drain heavy Yi and AP nunu while being tough to kill and applying auras.


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JunkRamen

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01-13-2010

I mostly agree with EastJesus' list as of before the patch, except for a few things:

-Twitch in his own tier above the rest. He's definitely on a higher level than Nunu, Tristana, and Corki.

-Nunu in high tier. He's **** good but not at the same level as Sivir/Kayle/top tier carries.

-Nidalee mid tier. Doesn't bring enough to a team fight to be a very powerful force, though she'd be pretty high in mid tier.

-Maybe Fiddlesticks in mid tier too. He's kinda borderline between mid and high though IMO. Very good and probably 2nd best candidate for jungle under Shaco, but not quite as strong as the others in high tier.

-Heimer mid tier. He's got scaling problems late game, but for the rest of the time he's a very powerful force. You need to aim to win before he gets outscaled though.


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melanclock

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01-13-2010

Yall postin in a troll thread


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Baron Corm

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01-13-2010

Thank you for the post EastJesus and it seems to be more in line with public opinion, but I'm still wondering about why you put some of those champions in those tiers.

What makes Annie better than Veigar, for example? What makes Alistar better than Cho'gath? Why is Gangplank in High-Tier? Why is Tristana in Top-Tier? Why isn't Shaco in Top-Tier? Why is Singed in High-Tier? Why is Nasus in High-Tier? Why is Sivir in Top-Tier?


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zastrozzi

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01-13-2010

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Thank you for the post EastJesus and it seems to be more in line with public opinion, but I'm still wondering about why you put some of those champions in those tiers.

What makes Annie better than Veigar, for example? What makes Alistar better than Cho'gath? Why is Gangplank in High-Tier? Why is Tristana in Top-Tier? Why isn't Shaco in Top-Tier? Why is Singed in High-Tier? Why is Nasus in High-Tier? Why is Sivir in Top-Tier?
Going in order:

-Annie has the edge on Veigar due to the fact that Veigar needs to get fed early game to carry late game. While he is spending his mana last hitting with Baleful Strike, Annie gets to last hit with disintegrate for free. Early game, Veigar doesn't deal enough damage to justify his the hits to his mana pool. Also, the fact that Annie brings her own tank and has an anti-melee shield helps.

-Alistar is better then Cho due to the combination of his ult, passive, and his AoE heal. He can push almost as well as Sivir and he KILLS TOWERS DEAD. Also, Stun xx headbutt is incredible in team games, as you can set up ganks in teams, gank via tower, and nullify melee carries. Cho and Alistar are about equal when it comes to survivability post level 6, but while Cho moonlights as a mid-tier DPS champ, Alistar spends his off time pushing like a pornstar.

-Gangplank is top tier because he has one of the best ults in the game. On top of that, he can deny last hits with inspire moral while still pushing as well as using pirate fruit to ruin gank attempts and self heal. On top of this all, he has a ranged attack that applies his on hit effects, which is both unique and INCREDIBLY POWERFUL. Oh, and his blade totally ruins healing champs like Mundo and Soraka.

-Tristana is top tier simply because she ends the game with the best auto-attack, period. Rocket jump, like all blink moves, is incredibly powerful both on the offense and on the defense, she has a self-attack speed buff, and Explosive Shot is both an incredibly powerful farming tool and a decent nuke with anti-healing abilities.

-Sivir is top tier because, quite simply, she is the best farmer and pusher in the game. She EATS opposing creep waves and ends up sitting on tons of cash. Her ult is has a comparatively small cooldown and can win team fights. She'd be mid/high if it wasn't for all the auras she could stack with her incredible piles of cash, due to the fact that she's actually not all that great in one on one confrontations, passing out Stark's Favor and Aegis buffs to 4 other people wins games.

-Shaco isn't in top tier because his disables are actually not powerful enough to assure him a slot in the top. He is great in the jungle, but if the opposition keeps together, he just can't kill opposing carries. He teleports in, ults, and then proceeds to sit around and auto-attack, hoping to god that Malphite hasn't been fed enough to end him. His slippery, but against a skilled team, he typically can't get fed enough to walk over the enemy team.

-Singed is high tier due to his farming prowess, second only to Sivir. However, he comes with an awesome positioning tool/micro-stun with Toss and a long ranged slow, making him dangerous to opposing champs as well as creeps. Much like Shaco, as well, he simply cannot be effectively chased due to... well, everything he has.

-Nasus is in high tier because... uh... actually, I don't know that one. Soul Fire is pretty cool and all, but he just doesn't seem to have the oomph to hang with people above mid. Anyone want to explain that one to me?


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Shatterlight

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01-13-2010

I don't really have much to contribute, except ask why you have Gangplank listed in the Magic DPS tiers. He is Melee Physical (or could POSSIBLY be called Ranged Physical).

Or did I miss the reasoning there?

I'd also rather call Nunu multitalented than Caster DPS.

One last edit; EastJesus, why do you have Zilean ranked as bottom-tier? I understand he is a bit lacking the oomph of the top guys, but I feel he is a VERY powerful earlygame harasser/farmer (and today's patch buffed Time Bomb's damage and lowered the mana cost as well, I believe), and his damage is AoE and enough in teamfights to be worth playing I feel, if he has the 40% cooldown reduction. Also, Chronoshift has the potential to at best turn a teamfight, and at worst deprive the enemy of a few hundred gold/XP and keep a teammate in the fight for 40 seconds he wouldn't have been.

He is by no means a top tier, or even high tier, but I wouldn't be ranking him as one of the worst.


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kastr

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01-13-2010

i have to disagree on the veigar < annie tier wise, if veigar is played correctly he doesnt need to be 'fed' early game, his nukes are powerful and continue to be powerful, he wipes anyone with a mana pool out no problems at all and that can lead to a quick 4v5 and his stun can be used in multiple ways, offensively, defensively, it doesn't even have to stun, it can keep the entire enemy team at bay if they are all inside the circle. They have to sit inside that circle or risk getting stunned going out to the edges making them sitting ducks for any aoes.

mana late game is not an issue for veigar at all as well

besides he looks cooler.


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Shatterlight

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01-13-2010

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besides he looks cooler.
And isn't that what tiers are all about?